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    Mice fed a 0% protein diet for a week lost nearly 20% of their body mass

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    • JenniferJ
      Jennifer @serotoninskeptic
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      @Sugarnotsnow, if only we had the Nama J2 back then.

      I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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      • ?
        A Former User @Jennifer
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        @Jennifer

        Well considering he died…. I do think we know how he would fare on a low protein diet lol.

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        • TexugoDoMelT
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          There are some studies saying that uncoupling protects the muscles, so I imagine it's something related. I think it's common knowledge that DNP seems to preserve a lot of muscle mass even if you lose a lot of weight (compared to fat loss with ozempic for example). When protein is restricted there is an increase in T3, uncoupling, brown fat... So this could be one of the reasons, but I don't know if it would preserve it for long

          Low protein has twice as much t3
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          • serotoninskepticS
            serotoninskeptic @TexugoDoMel
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            @TexugoDoMel Sugar also has a muscle and protein preserving effect. So if one were fed a high carb-low protein diet this could be a protective factor.

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            • serotoninskepticS
              serotoninskeptic @Jennifer
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              @Jennifer I still dont have one 😢

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              • serotoninskepticS
                serotoninskeptic @A Former User
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                @RawGoatMilk88 I doubt the low-protein experiment caused his death. If anything it couldve been an attempt to cure whatever health condition he was already dealing with which lead to his death.

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                • ?
                  A Former User @serotoninskeptic
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                  @Serotoninskeptic

                  Certainly didn’t help.

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                  • serotoninskepticS
                    serotoninskeptic @A Former User
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                    @RawGoatMilk88 Yeah but if he was still young and healthy and didnt have an underlying condition he may have fared well, if not possibly better than a higher protein diet. I think thats what Jennifer was getting at atleast.

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                    • JenniferJ
                      Jennifer @A Former User
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                      @RawGoatMilk88 said in Mice fed a 0% protein diet for a week lost nearly 20% of their body mass:

                      @Jennifer

                      Well considering he died…. I do think we know how he would fare on a low protein diet lol.

                      What Serotoninskeptic said. For all I know, Ray was motivated to experiment with low methionine because his health was failing and no intervention he tried was going to extend his life.

                      I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                      • JenniferJ
                        Jennifer @serotoninskeptic
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                        @Serotoninskeptic said in Mice fed a 0% protein diet for a week lost nearly 20% of their body mass:

                        @Jennifer I still dont have one 😢

                        Neither do I. I was going to buy it, but I can’t see spending $550 on a juicer when I can get fresh-pressed cider for $8 a gallon. I did the math and it would cost me around $12 to juice a gallon’s worth of apples.

                        I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                        • serotoninskepticS
                          serotoninskeptic @Jennifer
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                          @Jennifer Yess im so glad fresh unpasteurized apple cider is back at my farmer's market 😃

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                          • JenniferJ
                            Jennifer @serotoninskeptic
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                            @Serotoninskeptic, nice! The one I get is pasteurized, but it’s available year round and I like my cider heated up anyway with some cinnamon and vanilla bean. 🙂

                            I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                            • serotoninskepticS
                              serotoninskeptic @Jennifer
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                              @Jennifer That reminds me. When i was fruit-based and I first found your posts on RPF, i tried out the warm cider recipe and loved it. I started drinking it every day lol

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                              • JenniferJ
                                Jennifer @serotoninskeptic
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                                @Serotoninskeptic, oh, wonderful! Spiced cider is to me what OJ is to Peaters. lol With a chunk of gouda, it’s chef’s kiss 😁

                                I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                                • serotoninskepticS
                                  serotoninskeptic @Jennifer
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                                  @Jennifer Ice never had the pleasure of trying it with cheese because i was still vegan 😢 I will have to try it!

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                                  • JenniferJ
                                    Jennifer @serotoninskeptic
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                                    @Serotoninskeptic, ooh…you’re in for a treat then. Another yummy combo is warm apple & pear sauce with raisins, cinnamon, vanilla and a pat of butter, and a chunk of raw goat cheddar. My temp reaches almost 100° with this meal.

                                    I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                                    • serotoninskepticS
                                      serotoninskeptic @Jennifer
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                                      @Jennifer That sounds incredible 😍 i need more warm cozy meals for the fall/winter season. Apple sauce, gelatin broths, fruit compotes are all great

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                                      • JenniferJ
                                        Jennifer @serotoninskeptic
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                                        @Serotoninskeptic, definitely! 🙂

                                        I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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