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    • alfredoolivasA Offline
      alfredoolivas @LetTheRedeemed
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      @LetTheRedeemed yeah. But thyroid can be very catabolic, don’t take too much

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        lobotomize @alfredoolivas
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        @alfredoolivas how much do you take per every minute

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          alfredoolivas @lobotomize
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          @lobotomize This is why I take t4 only, because your stupid comment actually becomes an actual reality.

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          • LetTheRedeemedL Offline
            LetTheRedeemed @alfredoolivas
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            @alfredoolivas for sure. I follow Peaty recommendations on his proposed substances, but there's basically no one in the bioenergetic sphere who supports GLP's, so it's intriguing, and I want to really iron out what it's potential actually is. I don't think there's another bioenergetic person right now who's supported GLP's that I can find

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              alfredoolivas @LetTheRedeemed
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              Many fat people's metabolism are fine, they simply ate too many calories for a certain period of time and now they are stuck at a body weight they are unhappy with. That is who GLP 1s are for. IMO. It reverses the effects of a calorie surplus but it does not fix other causes of obesity, which in the end are all metabolic related, whether that has to do with lipid metabolism or energy expenditure.

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                LetTheRedeemed @alfredoolivas
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                @alfredoolivas i may try it in the future. thanks for sharing your experiences

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                • ethanE Offline
                  ethan @alfredoolivas
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                  @alfredoolivas What t4 dose? I stopped taking ~4:1 T4:T3 because it doesnt align with reality. The thyroid endogenously outputs 16:1 - 20:1 T4:T3 and taking exogenous thyroid at those ratios feels massively better than spamming t3. I've been taking 150mcg t4 and 8mcg t3, wondering how you came to a similar conclusion.

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                  • LetTheRedeemedL Offline
                    LetTheRedeemed @lobotomize
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                    @lobotomize Ray said to take 1 nanogram of t3 every second

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                    • alfredoolivasA Offline
                      alfredoolivas @ethan
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                      @ethan 100mcg of T4, the liver produces 80% of T3 though
                      @lettheredeemed thats what T4 does lol. It’s like a drip of T3, and actually allows you to receive it every second in sub nano gram amounts. That’s what my passive aggressive comment to @lobotomize me was for lol

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                        ethan @alfredoolivas
                        last edited by ethan

                        @alfredoolivas is that enough t4 for your height and weight? is your TSH suppressed from this amount of t4? endogenously there is always some t3 being produced from the gland, so low dose probably isnt that harmful/catabolic

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                        • LetTheRedeemedL Offline
                          LetTheRedeemed @alfredoolivas
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                          @alfredoolivas lol yup. I do think I encountered more problems than I helped when I got on NDT a few years ago. after ketocarnivore (and a whole childhood of malnutrition and sugar avoidance), I think my liver was just shot and I needed direct t3. It’s just a super case by case basis, but I believe the avg person probably does fine on primarily t4 at lunch and dinner.

                          The one I’m really sour about is how they extracted calcitonin from NDT meds because they can prescribe that for it’s own cool properties. Long term when I’m rich I just want to take a high quality bovine blend NDT. Found a cool one for like 60+ bucks.

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