Any experiences with DHT?
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@wester130 interesting how dht turns down desire for sex, it seems most libido nowadays is estrogen induced
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@BeamsOfEnergy I was quoting someone else
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@thyroidchor27 Totally on point. This is my conclusion as well. Esp. if you're also taking progesterone. Today the men are hyper-sexualised. When I was in the business of hormones...Clients were basically assessing if their dose was correct based on their horniness, which usually meant taking over 150mg of testosterone, usually 250-500mg pr week...which is crazy
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why does dht reduce spinal bone density?
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@wester130 Probably because T and especially E2 were reduced by DHT:
DHT treatment increased serum DHT with complete suppression of serum T, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, and estradiol throughout the 24-month study resulting in reduced spinal bone density.
Sounds like 70mg transdermal DHT daily is bad for your health.
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@Bye4ever any comment on dianabol?
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@sushi_is_cringe
Dbol + DHTE makes my mouth water
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@jamezb46 would probably be quite euphoric
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@sushi_is_cringe
Female track athletes in East Germany given turinabol are reported to have developed an “addiction” to masturbation. Doesn’t that sounds like fun
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@jamezb46 mein fräuleins
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continued improvements in athletics, a nearly profound recovery from previously somewhat chronic low-grade and annoying issues, and muscle fullness and a subtle recomp of the physique through a combination of fat and water loss.
Today I had a really spontaneous correction of jogging and running posture that started from my feet, which got springy and bouncy.
Noticeable change in voice sometimes shortly after application.
Good libido is translating to a lust for life.
I might switch to oral dosing dissolved in tocopherols for a more systemic effect. Right now I’m still applying transdermally, 8-12 mg a day.I saw georgi and another user here say 25mg per day is probably not suppressive and georgi says in a post in 2016, that might be the ideal dose iirc.
fwiw 70mg transdermal lowered T after a couple years daily dosing in a study
i may do oral dosing 5mg 3x a day and add some progesterone
have been considering halo or dianabol but maybe we dont even have to use those drugs for top tier physique and athletics.
apparently halo can be doses without noticeable toxicity but it has a fluorine part which haidut says is toxic
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I've triend DHT transdermal in different formulations, made by myself and also the one from pannacottas. I never felt much at different doses, including no obvious negatives, maybe just a bit more unshakeable by events. Also made a vitE oral/bucccal version, that one gave me a very slight calm euphoric feeling. This formula was hard to dose in higher range so never tried more than 10mg iirc.
I wonder not really feeling the transdermal dht is because of the enzymes in the skin converting dht to 3a-diol, which is a much lesser potent androgen but does have more gabaergic effects.
Testosterone I do feel in the same transdermal formulations. Testosterone also very clearly makes me less tired during and after all kinds of excercise. Maybe because I end up, paradoxically, with more dht because of 5a-reductase in the skin.
DrostanoloneP/E injections I also do feel but nothing amazing like some claim. Just a more steady, calm demeanor and slightly improved energy and nice body recomp without significant mass gain. It is something I might plan to keep doing low dose, like 30mg eod.
Proviron seems to do nothing acutely but over time it does seem to have a slight anabolic/recomp effect, also makes loads more concentrated/thicker.
Would love to try IM DHTE/P but can't find a source and dont want to bother to homebrew because of my limited chem knowledge and equipment.
Safest and most effective way to boost DHT, to me, seems transdermal T, maybe with very low dose exemestane on hand. -
At what doses of Proviron did you notice the slight anabolic/recomp effect?
Also, making DHTE or DHTP from base DHT is not "homebrewing" in the usual sense, that's organic chemistry synthesis.
It's not easy, and in order to convince yourself and anyone else for that matter that the final product did not contain the toxic solvents and catalysts you would have to use, you would need to do further analytic chemistry to confirm purity, which would likely involve LC/MS, or exact boiling point analysis, or some other advanced and highly expensive method.
In time there is life but no knowledge; outside time there is knowledge but no life
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@sushi_is_cringe
With regard to the toxicity of the fluorine atom in Halotestin, I think the relevant question is: does the fluorine atom ever become unbound to the steroid molecule in the metabolism of Halotestin? If the answer is no, then I can't see how it could be "toxic" if fluorine is only toxic when it's in its ionic form.
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@jamezb46 It's a common trend that drugs (all types) become more effective but also more toxic when a fluorine atom is added to the molecule. Not sure why.
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@jamezb46 HPLC testing can be done for less than $100 a test. You could identify the purity of the DHT ester, presence of heavy metals and maybe even the presence of other reactants used in the synthesis for as little as $300 I would say. Would that not suffice?
https://janoshik.com/pricing/
Janoshik performs identification assays of common AAS and heavy metals for as little as $60. I am sure other traces of other reagants could be organised as well. -
Fluorine is the most electronegative atom in the universe. So, the effect is probably because the fluorine atom makes the molecule metabolism resistant.
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If someone wants to go full Walter White mode and attempt to add an ester, I'm all for it, but it requires a fume hood, solvents that are potentially hard to get, and some apparatus to purify the compounds at the various stages of the synthesis.
Unless someone is already involved in synthesizing drugs at home or has access to a lab, I wouldn't say this is exactly a walk in the park.
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@jamezb46 Yes, and someone who has a lab or synthesises drugs at home will probably be synthesising esterified DHT as a business - and unless he wants to synthesise DHT on his own, he will have to import bricks of DHT every month through customs... which is impossible given it's current supply and how easy it is to get caught.
The only way DHT enanthate is becoming available to the public is if someone on this "esterified DHT hype train" is rich enough to get a Chinese company to manufacture it for him, clever enough to ensure it is a pure product and to know how to homebrew it into oil vials, and stupid enough to sell steroids (very illegal)
or if the UGL labs (the main clients to the chinese steroid labs) want to start selling it - but the UGL labs aren't rich enough either - they simply heat up oils and benzyl benzoate in a beaker and throw steroids into it, and then sell it amongst 100s of other labs that sell the exact same product at the same prices. They don't exactly try to make advancements in the steroid industry or change the game. -
@alfredoolivas Right, your realism about the matter is in the same spirit as my original post was in.
I also am not fully convinced that DHTE or DHTP is even necessary given that drostanolone, proviron, and transdermal testosterone all exist.
