Mysterious gallbladder disease - can't digest fat for no apparent reason
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@BearWithMe said in Mysterious gallbladder disease - can't digest fat for no apparent reason:
I should probably say that I would not desribe this as gallbladder disease anymore. Sugars and carbs cause almost the same symptoms as fat. Protein doesn't cause obvious symptoms even in high quantities but I probably can't digest it either. Everything is passing through undigested.
I called it "gallbladder disease" because the discomfort is often felt in upper right part of the abdomen
i suggest retry different fat sources such avocado, olives, subcutanous fat from lamb, hazelnuts, macadamia and see if they have same effects or different. have you tryed fruits, if yes wich ones? how do you feel from sunlight exposure?
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It might seem too obvious
Or
Just the last thing you are thinking?But
The diet you are on now
It is NOT working for youI would step back
Pull back
And start from scratchNo supplements
Easy to digest foods (ie mashed potatoes, stews, jasmine rice puddings etc)You’re body is screaming for change…
The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.
SD
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Your diet looks dreadful @BearWithMe
I understand that this present diet of yours is because you cut out all the offending foods -- but at the same time I think something has to change for you to heal. In my experience oatmeal in large quantities is guaranteed to wreck gut health and your diet is also severely lacking in calcium and other important nutrients.
Are there any other food you can tolerate besides oats and meat?
You wrote in a previous post that rice noodles are okay. Can you eat lean meat, rice noodles and super well-cooked broccoli? That would be a better staple meal than oats and lean meat
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@BearWithMe said in Mysterious gallbladder disease - can't digest fat for no apparent reason:
I'm struggling to find any literature on oral dosing of borax. Is 1/4 to 1/2 tsp a day a reasonable dose?
1/2 a teaspoon would be about 2.5ml*1.73g=4.33g borax, *0.11=475mg of boron. That's terribly much. Won't cause any lasting harm, though. IME a maximum of 30-40mg of boron per dosing was alright. 2-3 times a day. That's about 300mg of borax per dose. One can also just do a third or a tenth of that. Always start low.
Sad to read that your digestion has been on further decline : /.
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@Peatful This idea definitely crossed my mind. The problem is, pretty much any food is causing similar or even worse symptoms. But I will replace oats with something else (rice?) immediatelly because I can't eat any more oats even if I wanted to.
@user2 Fruits were my primary source of energy from 2014 to 2024. Oranges, grapes, bananas, plums... Have stopped eating fruits because they destroyed my teeth. Also, I think they stimulate metabolic rate too much when eaten in large quantities
Sunlight feels very good for a couple of minutes, then it causes stress reaction (high pulse, palpipations, shortness of breath etc)
@Korven I agree something must change. Not sure if rice is the answer, though? Rice is almost devoid of nutrients. Oats, while by no means complete, have very good mineral profile. Interestingly enough, I've had intense cravings for rice noodles recently.
Whey protein powder and fruits doesn't cause obvious digestive symptoms in any quantity, but have other problems so they are not an option. Not sure what else to try. Corn maybe? I've had good experience with corn in the past
@CrumblingCookie Thank you. Appreciate this very much
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Have read through most of the thread, am hoping you find a quick and proper solution.
I did not see mention of bone broth, collagen or gelatin. Their amino acid profiles are similar and have benefits for the gut. Bone broth with simple and easy to digest ingredients would also be an additional food source.
And please excuse if it has .. but I also saw no mention of B1 Thiamine. A recent study i read also mentioned B5, B6 and B7 for fatty acid oxidation, metabolism & synthesis: Vitamin B, Role of Gut Microbiota and Gut Health (Satrio Wibowo and Almira Pramadhani).
Hope this helps!
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@BearWithMe said in Mysterious gallbladder disease - can't digest fat for no apparent reason:
@Korven I agree something must change. Not sure if rice is the answer, though? Rice is almost devoid of nutrients. Oats, while by no means complete, have very good mineral profile. Interestingly enough, I've had intense cravings for rice noodles recently.
Whey protein powder and fruits doesn't cause obvious digestive symptoms in any quantity, but have other problems so they are not an option. Not sure what else to try. Corn maybe? I've had good experience with corn in the past
While rice has less nutrients, I still think it's superior to oatmeal since it doesn't have irritating, bacteria feeding fibre, high amounts of nickel, gluten proteins, etc. For healthy people oatmeal is fine but for people with dysbiosis or poor digestion they are a very suspect food. Interestingly I also had steatorrhea back when I ate a lot of oats. And I was depressed.
In general I believe that gut health is much more important than having a nutrient dense diet. Also you are not properly digesting and assimilating nutrients when your gut is inflamed, so in the short-term the objective should be to just find the least offensive foods, and when that is taken care of, you can worry about the overall nutrient composition of the diet.
Yes I think corn is good. Can you find a Mexican restaurant which sells 100% corn tortillas?
If you just switch the oatmeal out for rice noodles and corn tortillas I believe you will feel so much better.
What about eggs, do you tolerate those? Eggs are very nutrient dense and good for gut repair.
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@BearWithMe in my experience oats, rice, potatoes are harder to digest. Believe it or not I had most success with refined wheat as a starch. Pasta, no problem. Bread also fine. If you have not tried it is worth a shot in my opinion.
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Rice and corn seems to cause even worse symptoms than oats. Eating a meal containing rice or corn takes me very long time and is extremely exhausting. It is a chore. The nausea and stomach pain that follows is torturous and lasts forever.
The oats are a bit more compact and dense which helps a lot.
The main difference might be that oats don't soak up saliva. Foods that soaks up saliva deplete my saliva during first few bites and then I'm left with completely dry mouth, chewing and swallowing is a chore, and digestion impossible?
That might be why meats and liquid calories (fruit juices, protein powders) works the best for me?
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@BearWithMe said in Mysterious gallbladder disease - can't digest fat for no apparent reason:
Rice and corn seems to cause even worse symptoms than oats. Eating a meal containing rice or corn takes me very long time and is extremely exhausting. It is a chore. The nausea and stomach pain that follows is torturous and lasts forever.
The oats are a bit more compact and dense which helps a lot.
The main difference might be that oats don't soak up saliva. Foods that soaks up saliva deplete my saliva during first few bites and then I'm left with completely dry mouth, chewing and swallowing is a chore, and digestion impossible?
That might be why meats and liquid calories (fruit juices, protein powders) works the best for me?
If meats and liquids “work best for” you- you would not be so symptomatic.
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@Peatful said in Mysterious gallbladder disease - can't digest fat for no apparent reason:
If meats and liquids “work best for” you- you would not be so symptomatic.
I'm not eating any liquid food at the moment because it is destroying my teeth, as mentioned earlier in the thread. Neither oats nor rice and corn is a liquid food
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@BearWithMe said in Mysterious gallbladder disease - can't digest fat for no apparent reason:
@Peatful said in Mysterious gallbladder disease - can't digest fat for no apparent reason:
If meats and liquids “work best for” you- you would not be so symptomatic.
I'm not eating any liquid food at the moment because it is destroying my teeth, as mentioned earlier in the thread. Neither oats nor rice and corn is a liquid food
Missed that
Not thrilled with this forum’s layoutYour teeth being destroyed by liquid points more to your digestion and subsequent inflammation then it does the liquids per say
I still am low liquid kind of girl, because liquids aren’t necessarily easy to digest or shall I say easy on the stomach -and harder to regulate your blood sugar with liquids I found
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Is significant worsening of the symptoms something to be expected when taking borax to eradicate Candida? @CrumblingCookie
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@BearWithMe Yes wrt strong headaches and flatulence therefore go slowly. Borax breaks loose biofilm. Maybe headaches can be slightly alleviated by KCl and Mg (to increase kidney clearance and also to satisfy needs of its osteoblastic effects). Dimeticone/simeticone would help dissolve gas. And some sort of vegetable fiber to enhance bowel emptying unlesss somebody would want to go straight into a borax-enhanced salt-flush for that.
@BearWithMe said:
I'm left with completely dry mouth, chewing and swallowing is a chore
Look into acetylcholine already (B5 & choline). Hopefully you haven't been doing cyproheptadine or ketotifen or such stuff. Iodide raises secretion of exogenous glands, too.
How was the H.pylori testing, after all? -
Seems like nobody mentioned it so far: When I was unable to digest fat all I needed was to take 4000mg of Taurin and that resolved the issue. Probably not it since you said you could also not digest sugar, but maybe still worth a try.
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@CrumblingCookie Thank you very much.
I was taking 600-1000mg of alpha-gpc, 250-500mg of B5, 100-200mg of B1 and some TMG-betaine every day since early June until mid-August. I was not taking b12 because it was causing bad toothache, and I was not taking lipoic acid because it caused nausea.
My digestion deteriorated very much during that time, I'm unable to eat even 1800 kcal daily now. I don't think the deterioration is caused by the supplements, but they probably did not helped much either. Nowadays I'm too nauseous to take any supplements at all. It is strange because logically your explanation makes perfect sense. And I'm sure I'm deficient in choline. I don't know why it doesn't work.
I did not touched cyproheptadine or ketotifen (or any similar substance) as an adult. I started receiving asthma medication when I was 5 years old, I didn't know what I'm receiving back then and neither did my parents. I changed doctors very often and they always changed my medication so I might have received cyproheptadine or ketotifen at some point.
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GABA, while being great for sleep, made my digestion much worse btw. It went away shortly after stopping the supplementation
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A huge chunk of my molar just crumbled and fell apart after just 5 days of boron supplementation. I've had similar reaction to other forms of boron supplements (glycinate) in the past. Will have to get the prescription for Nystatin, or obtain the medicine by other means
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@BearWithMe said:
A huge chunk of my molar just crumbled and fell apart
That's not normal. Maybe it's time to up your scope before any more dabbling and to get an abdominal MRI to look for structural constrictions or masses and also your plasma levels of Ca, PTH, CT and a GI hormones panel at a specialized clinic.
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@CrumblingCookie My plasma level of Ca was elevated every time I had the test done as far back as 2014, except for the last test I did in 2024. My intact PTH was 2,87 pmol/l (or 27 pg/mL) in 2023. Not sure what CT means in this context, is this possibly a typo?
Can very bad case of pectus excavatum create a structural constriction in GI tract? Also I suspect I have hiatal hernia, but my digestive issues most likely predate the hernia
