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    Mysterious gallbladder disease - can't digest fat for no apparent reason

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    • BearWithMeB
      BearWithMe
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      GABA, while being great for sleep, made my digestion much worse btw. It went away shortly after stopping the supplementation

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      • BearWithMeB
        BearWithMe
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        A huge chunk of my molar just crumbled and fell apart after just 5 days of boron supplementation. I've had similar reaction to other forms of boron supplements (glycinate) in the past. Will have to get the prescription for Nystatin, or obtain the medicine by other means

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          CrumblingCookie @BearWithMe
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          @BearWithMe said:

          A huge chunk of my molar just crumbled and fell apart

          That's not normal. Maybe it's time to up your scope before any more dabbling and to get an abdominal MRI to look for structural constrictions or masses and also your plasma levels of Ca, PTH, CT and a GI hormones panel at a specialized clinic.

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          • BearWithMeB
            BearWithMe @CrumblingCookie
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            @CrumblingCookie My plasma level of Ca was elevated every time I had the test done as far back as 2014, except for the last test I did in 2024. My intact PTH was 2,87 pmol/l (or 27 pg/mL) in 2023. Not sure what CT means in this context, is this possibly a typo?

            Can very bad case of pectus excavatum create a structural constriction in GI tract? Also I suspect I have hiatal hernia, but my digestive issues most likely predate the hernia

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            • KorvenK
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              @BearWithMe Sorry that the rice and corn didn't work out for you. Did you also try rice noodles? In the past I've noticed huge difference in digestibility between rice - which wouldn't digest well at all - and rice noodles which were very easy to digest. It's a denser carb source and doesn't have as much water.

              You've had high blood calcium levels since 2014? That would explain the teeth crumbling situation.... probably not primary hyperparathyroidism though if your PTH is on the low end. What have your vitamin D levels been during this period? And you might've mentioned it already, but have you gotten screened for celiac? In celiac disease you malabsorb vitamin D which then causes secondary hyperparathyroidism and consequent bone loss (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486428?). It's part of the reason why I think oats are such a sketchy food since they contain gluten proteins.

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              • BearWithMeB
                BearWithMe @Korven
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                @Korven
                Vitamin D (25-OH)
                June 2017: 39,2 nmol/l
                June 2024: 133,4 nmol/l

                I was supplementing D sublingually in 2024 and also getting plenty of sunlight so the results are not a proof of good vitamin D absorbtion. But they do suggest that lack of vitamin D is likely not the cause of teeth crumbling. I was not screened for celiac disease.

                I did not try rice noodles yet but I absolutely should do it as soon as possible.

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                • KorvenK
                  Korven @BearWithMe
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                  @BearWithMe Hmm okay.

                  Your blood calcium was normal in 2024 after you supplemented vitamin D, right? That points to it being a case of secondary hyperparathyroidism, i.e. deficiency of vitamin D3 and/or calcium.

                  I am a bit surprised that your doctor never tested you for gluten intolerance. I am probably a bit biased since gluten is very bad for me, but celiac disease could explain many if not all your symptoms. The problem is that you have to eat gluten on a daily basis before getting the tests done, otherwise you won't necessarily see the intestinal damage and you get a false negative.

                  Edit: I would also like to add that if you had high blood calcium, low'ish vitamin D and potentially high PTH (it can fluctuate and sometimes you get a low-mid PTH reading while it's actually elevated) during the years 2014-2023, that might certainly have contributed to your poor dental health. There is a lot of calcium stored in bones and it can take years before the effects of a calcium/vitamin D deficiency show themselves.

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                  • JenniferJ
                    Jennifer
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                    @BearWithMe, no need to respond, but just something to consider if you haven’t explored it yet—thyroid function. You may already know all of this, but just in case you don’t, since the thyroid/parathyroid glands are the main glands involved in calcium metabolism and connective tissue integrity, dry skin, herniations, broken teeth/bone loss, structural deformities, depression, exhaustion, heat and/or cold intolerance, and even poor peristalsis (resulting in dysbiosis/overgrowths, reflux etc.) and dehydration (the thyroid and adrenals, being the main power sources of the body, work in concert with each other to control peristalsis and electrolyte balance) are some of the many symptoms of poor thyroid function. I find the most accurate diagnostics to be:

                    • Temps—taken first thing in the morning, midday and 20–30 minute after eating, including temps of extremities (feet, hands, nose and ears)
                    • Pulse rate
                    • Achilles tendon reflex test—there are videos on YouTube showing how to perform it if your doctor won’t
                    • Evaporation rate/metabolic rate—total fluids consumed and eliminated via sweat vs urine in a 24 hour period

                    If thyroid supplementation is needed, it can temporarily make one sensitive to the adrenaline that was compensating for the lack of thyroid hormone so heart palpitations, shortness of breath, overheating and anxiety, basically, what is often mistaken for hyperthyroid symptoms, are common, in which case taking magnesium at the same time can be helpful to reduce symptoms as the thyroid and adrenals adjust. When finding a proper dose, I increase or decrease it by 1/4 grain (or the equivalent dose of synthetic) every two weeks, checking my temps and pulse rate. If taking a natural thyroid glandular/NDT it should be standardized to be most effective.

                    I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                      CrumblingCookie @BearWithMe
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                      @BearWithMe said:

                      what CT means in this context

                      Calcitonin, in the context of (GI) hormones.
                      Running celiac diagnostics makes sense.

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                      • BearWithMeB
                        BearWithMe
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                        I was able to increase my food intake so I'm getting 2700 kcal, 500g / 1lb of carbs consistently every day again. But I'm losing ≈1lb of bodyweight a week, despite being very inactive, doing absolutely nothing most of the days.

                        Also I'm experiencing shortness of breath ever since my digestion got worse.

                        Currently I'm eating corn (popcorn is the only form that doesn't trigger digestive issues, so I'm eating that), organic fruits and meat. No gluten, no oats, no supplements or medications except for pure pharma grade calcium carbonate powder and glucose powder.

                        @CrumblingCookie Which hormones should be included in the GI hormone panel?

                        Can very severe depression cause hypermetabolism in humans?

                        https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/149/6/2714/2454895

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                          • cs3000C
                            cs3000 @BearWithMe
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                            @BearWithMe sounds more likely to be malabsorption in your case?

                            Seems to me like your main problem is stomach acid & enzymes, not digesting the food. & or lacking peristalsis
                            do you have a dry mouth often?

                            histamine & acetylcholine are involved in these. and thyroid hormone

                            if you have a dry mouth often it could point to lacking acetylcholine
                            otherwise maybe low histamine (Histidine -> histamine if the production is working, supports acetylcholine for gastric acid)
                            or otherwise chronic gastritis can destroy a lot of the acid & enzyme secreting cells , so an immune system damage
                            the acid secretion activates some of the digestion enzymes.

                            u could try taking standard digestive enzymes with each meal plus combined with an hcl supplement, for a few weeks (i'd start slow on the acid supplement though if there's damage in the stomach can worsen) (obviously encapsulated to avoid contact with teeth)

                            bromelain can help protein digestion but should be products available with standard enzymes
                            bromelain works at high ph unlike the standard enzymes. but idk how much would be effective for how much protein
                            Amylase to break down starch, doesnt work at low ph, so might want to use that first before making it more acidic
                            otherwise maybe the targets above

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                            • BearWithMeB
                              BearWithMe @cs3000
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                              @cs3000 I think it might be both malabsorbtion and hypermetabolism. Glucose powder should be beneficial in case of malabsorbtion? I think it is making things worse. Or not helping at best

                              @CrumblingCookie made pretty much the same diagnosis (lack of acetylcholine) earlier in this thread. Very cool you both figured out the same thing independently of each other. @CrumblingCookie also prescribed what seems like very sound protocol for increasing acetylcholine. I was following that protocol for more than 3 months but my condition deteriorated during that time.

                              I was also taking high dose Betaine HCL with high protein foods for more than 6 months, but my condition also deteriorated during that time.

                              I have chronic gastritis (confirmed by endoscopy) for over a decade, possibly much longer (two decades?)

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