How simple are people?
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@ThinPicking it doesnt make me uncomfortable but i believe we as humans have reached and found out the lowest level we can in our universes materials which are the atoms we havnt found one thing which isnt composed out of protons ,electrons and neutrons(not including the stuff which makes up protons electrons and neutrons which we also have discovered).
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@Peatful Disclaimer: I will repeat—this comment is in no way intended to anger you, disrespect you, or cause an argument. I am genuinely trying to have a productive debate. (I didn’t say you reacted in an angered way; I just wanted to clarify my stance.)
Now that we’ve gotten past the disclaimer:
The burden of proof is on you. I cannot search for something I do not believe exists or have never seen any proof of. Neither can you (again, in my opinion—I’ll be happy to be proven wrong) -
@Peatful how can one "ask" god. and if you know how to ask god, how do you bypass the question of which god to ask if there are so many to choose from
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If a provably more advanced alien species descended down from the heavens to conquer Earth and enslave you and your family, would you surrender due to their supposed superiority?
Probably not.
So it doesn't really matter whether or not there is an abstract justification for how "special" people are, if they come from God or not, etc. People, with a healthy metabolism, like being alive and doing things. It is literally the life process.
Why do grandmothers knit sweaters when a jacquard loom machine does it a thousand times faster?
The life process.
It would be anti-life to lie down and die because we can direct a machine to do some limited functions in a faster/cheaper way.
Perhaps ironically, the way in which machines can now generate decent personable English demonstrates that there is no way to make this plain through language alone, i.e., through abstract-logical posts on an internet forum.
You actually have to be a living person to understand it, and draw from the well of that experience.
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@lobotomize-me said in How simple are people?:
@Peatful Disclaimer: I will repeat—this comment is in no way intended to anger you, disrespect you, or cause an argument. I am genuinely trying to have a productive debate. (I didn’t say you reacted in an angered way; I just wanted to clarify my stance.)
Now that we’ve gotten past the disclaimer:
The burden of proof is on you. I cannot search for something I do not believe exists or have never seen any proof of. Neither can you (again, in my opinion—I’ll be happy to be proven wrong)I love this shtt
Never seen as an argument or disrespect
But thank youBeing an asshole “Christian”
That’s when im disgusted
A few on the old forum come to mindIf life is good for you now
And you see no need for God
(God from the Bible btw)
Enjoy!But there will be a day:
A sick child
A bad accident
Painful emptiness….So no sales pitch or evangelizing from me
It really is between you and GodAll my best….
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@NoeticJuice "If everything is built up of individual particles, then, for there to be consciousness, that consciousness would be an attribute of each particle."
This is a compositional error. Many macroscopic properties (wetness, elasticity, temperature) emerge from organized interactions of parts even though no part singly bears them. Current neuroscience and complexity theory treat consciousness likewise (as an emergent, system level phenomenon) without assigning it to each constituent particle
"If placing the particles near each other combines their consciousness, then there's some kind of interaction happening outside the limits of the particles."
Standard physical interactions (electromagnetic coupling, chemical bonding, synaptic transmission) already lie outside any single particle yet remain fully within physical law. No extra layer is required other then forces and the relational structure they generate.
"If particles didn't combine consciousness in any way, then our kind of consciousness would not exist in a world only consisting of particles."
this is a False dichotomy: either particles each have consciousness or they “combine” it. A third option (I mentioned this in part one aswell) is that consciousness is an emergent property of certain organized information processing networks
"If particles that touch each other transmit something from their consciousness to the other particle, then, again, there's something else than just those particles, some other moving factor."
No solid scientific support exists for particles transmitting “consciousness.” What they transmit are energy and information via physical forces. The emergence of mental states from neural computation requires only these well documented exchanges
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@lobotomize-me said in How simple are people?:
it doesnt make me uncomfortable but i believe we as humans have reached and found out the lowest level we can in our universes materials which are the atoms we havnt found one thing which isnt composed out of protons ,electrons and neutrons(not including the stuff which makes up protons electrons and neutrons which we also have discovered).
It probably does because you're resting on woo to cope with it. The standard model is incomplete. There is no unified field theory.
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@lobotomize-me said in How simple are people?:
The burden of proof is on you.
I'd take her hint if I were you lb.
I cannot search for something I do not believe exists or have never seen any proof of. Neither can you (again, in my opinion—I’ll be happy to be proven wrong)
While you're busy with sports, others are busy with science.
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@lobotomize-me said in How simple are people?:
how can one "ask" god. and if you know how to ask god, how do you bypass the question of which god to ask if there are so many to choose from
E-motion is a conversation. Lie on it at your peril.
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@lobotomize-me said in How simple are people?:
The emergence of mental states from neural computation requires only these well documented exchanges
lol
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@ThinPicking As I said before, I'm not here to argue, I'm here to have a productive debate. So, as I mentioned, I'm happy to listen to your ideas about why I'm wrong or where my position might be flawed. But saying lol and making comments like "While you're busy with sports, others are busy with science" doesn't help me understand your stance
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@ThinPicking My opinion (which I’d be happy for you to prove wrong) is that we've come as close as necessary to understanding the fundamentals of our universe to recognize that the soul is a belief, not a fact
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@lobotomize-me said in How simple are people?:
@ThinPicking My opinion (which I’d be happy for you to prove wrong) is that we've come as close as necessary to understanding the fundamentals of our universe to recognize that the soul is a belief, not a fact
"Scientific" theories and experiments that you've never experienced yourself aren't facts, they're beliefs.
Feeling something isnt a belief, if you have a specific feeling and you call it a certain word such as soul, because the meaning/definition of it match your feeling, you have a soul
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@random what is the feeling you will describe as the feeling of a soul
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@lobotomize-me it might depend on the person. If you eat better foods including more raw foods, more sun exposure, less porn, less alcohool, you Can start to experience energetic states and feelings you have never experience before or not in a long time. Some of these energetic feelings you might associate with soul energy, some with divine energy
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@random 1.all the habits you mentioned prevent harm or improve dopamine baseline.
2. i asked what does it feel like in your opinion and you told me the ways to achieve a divine feeling / soul energy feeling -
@lobotomize-me said in How simple are people?:
@random 1.all the habits you mentioned prevent harm or improve dopamine baseline.
2. i asked what does it feel like in your opinion and you told me the ways to achieve a divine feeling / soul energy feeling1 who Cares? These are beliefs in top of that, you care about facts
2 i answered, i Saïd it might vary depending on the person, be specific if you ask what i my self specifically felt that i associate to "soul".
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