Thread regarding Ray Peat possibly choosing not to use the medical system toward the end of his life
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I think this quote fits in to the discussion
"The reason I talk more about biology than politics is that the various radical movements generally have inflexibilities that keep them apart. People need to start understanding that the system is systematically murdering them, and understanding that the situation is desperate, they need to see that solidarity with life, against capital, is their hope."
Ray was also damaged severely from a miscalibrated flouroscopy. Was he perfect? No.
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Choosing to generally avoid the medical system and preserve one's dignity is an ideological choice. The goal of Peating goes beyond "lifespanmaxxxing." This man was inspired by William Blake.
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this is a low energy, un-masculine thread. talking about someone's passing and putting so much importance on it is not in good taste overall, there are some copes about it's reasonable because of being a "health guru" but that's not what RP is rightfully known for.
secondly, multiple comments in here don't give positive feelings, especially the one someone posted about people starting the dying process at 15 years old because of screen time; someone who says this out loud is not interested in immediate health and well-being of others, it is actually reminding me of how jessie Peterson or whatever that guy's name is saying that people saying they are depressed are actually being evil.
Other user says, "he was def in his last months, it was obvious", total confirmation bias, IF RP had just had a cold and gotten over it, nobody woulda even given the way he sounds much significance.
this whole thread is coping, unmasculine, gay talking points.
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It’s not a “phobia” when it’s well-founded. Who’s to say that all the times he refused a hospital stay he didn’t dodge a bullet?
And the jury is still out on his “legacy”, though he wasn’t so petty as to give a hoot about it. He was a soldier not a narcissist. -
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@herenow said in Dr. Ray Peat's phobia of the medical system turned against him towards the end of his life and damaged his legacy:
as I was listening to the audio I was wishing he had made a different choice so he could be around a little longer.
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It's not impossible that he sought medical help but it's not public.You acknowledge not knowing if Ray sought medical help so I’m not sure what you’re referring to in your previous statement. What choice did Ray make that you wish he hadn’t?
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@herenow, thank you for clarifying.
I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith
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When Ray died, the hospital system was amuck with doctors who put practically every patient as a COVID patient, and those who needed care other than as a COVID patient were sidelined and care was not what one would get from a hospital in unhysteric times.
I can understand if Ray chose not to go to a hospital and be made to die thoroughly oxygenated which would not be different from being asphyxiated in terms of outcome.
I didn't go to a hospital in that hysterical period. I was the most sick then. I would rather die from my own treatment than from theirs. But unbeknownst to me at the time, the Carbogen machine I used which I bought from a member of the other forum, Steve, got my body back to be able to slowly heal, not by itself but with other substances.
I have Peat to thank for knowing what alternatives I had in that situation.
I think that if Peat had died doing it his way, the outcome in a deranged hospital system at the time may not have been any better.
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@yerrag said:
I would rather die from my own treatment than from theirs.
This is what circumstances boil down to in the end.
The current relief of pressure in healthcare is but a mere respite for a further deep dive to come.
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@CrumblingCookie said in Dr. Ray Peat's phobia of the medical system turned against him towards the end of his life:
The current relief of pressure in healthcare is but a mere respite for a further deep dive to come.
"Times are going to get worse."
What is it that you think will happen CC. Better yet, what do you think it would take for that not to happen. If it involves a struggle, can you think of anything else.
I'm not amused.
This probably has health consequences.
Why did the chicken walk in the middle of the road.
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@herenow said in Dr. Ray Peat's phobia of the medical system turned against him towards the end of his life:
yes please
Your new avatar sir.
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@ThinPicking said in Dr. Ray Peat's phobia of the medical system turned against him towards the end of his life:
I'm not amused.This probably has health consequences.
Why did the chicken walk in the middle of the road.
TP breaking open the philosophical questions. Oh yes most definitely. It is to be avoided to become pessimistic. Although I reckon it may be a necessary developmental step. So it is advised to overcome pessisism. Without retracting into prior naiveté.
If you're on a calm country road that's managable.
But if you find yourself translocated to or needing to cross a freeway intersection, well, it's far less easy to just wing to the side. You may as well stand still and hope for the best or accept your fate without the agony or exhausting your ninja-like skills of dodging traffic. Unless quickly learning to fly is an option.
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A reference to the idea conventional medicine could have assisted him I guess.
Mine is only humour. I would be serious in suggesting a mandatory avatar policy on this forum however.
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@herenow said in Dr. Ray Peat's phobia of the medical system turned against him towards the end of his life:
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This account isn't btw, thanks to nomane truther. It's blockable now
