Foamy urine
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I heard Haidut talk ab foamy urine in a recent podcast, and it sounds like it might be caused by lypolosis and not protein being excreted.
I decided to pay attention to my urine, and even during the day I can have a bit of foam in my urine.
Is it an issue and I need to fix this or is it just my body getting rid of PUFA?
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@PUFADestroyerPPO Bump. After meals I've noticed that it goes away, but after waking in the morning my pee is like a bubble bath.
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@periander345 In the morning it is more normal. It is more concerning if it happens continuously throughout the day, time to lower pufa intake in that case.
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IIRC haidut said it was because of high FFA
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@periander345 same I only foamy urine in the morning. I thought it might be caused by the body eliminating unwanted semen overnight.
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Better check
"Only about one third of patients volunteering this complaint will ultimately be found to have abnormal proteinuria, so most cases of foamy urine remain unexplained...
It is important to point out that these substances with amphiphilic properties are present in normal urine, which could explain the tendency of some individuals to form a single layer of foam upon voiding, especially if the urine is concentrated. It is expected that persons with cholestasis can have excess of most of these metabolites in their urine, contributing to foam formation. Moreover, laxatives that stimulate the flow of bile into the duodenum (cholagogue) or stimulate the production of bile by the liver (choleretic) can potentially increase bile salt excretion in the urine after escaping the enterohepatic circulation. Persons with enteric bacterial overgrowth potentially can have excessive amount of glycocholic acid and glycoursodeoxycholic acid, whereas those with carnitine palmitoyltransferase 2 deficiency and celiac disease can excrete excess L-palmitoylcarnitine in their urine. It is predicted that such conditions with relative excess in bile salts can potentially be the reason for urine foam formation in the absence of proteinuria."
List of amphiphilic metabolites in normal human urine.
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@TexugoDoMel Hmmm so endotoxin can also cause foamy urine?
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Yeah. In the absence of proteinuria, it could be the culprit.
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@Peater0921 There is a lot of FAO happening while you're sleeping. Stress hormones also peak in the middle of the night. Consider also a 8 to 9 hour fast. That's why.
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Hello everyone,
I'd like to testify about my experience with foamy urine, and its meaning.
I think that quick heuristics like urine look or pH can be a great tool in a the self-experimenter's toolkit. Body temp, skin condition, urine, etc. should be an overall easy way to get a good picture of one's metabolism.
I've always had foamy urine, especially recently. Like, constant soap-like foam forming whenever I pee, at all time of the day.
I was born with a slightly deficient kidney and it seems that, in fact, I have had a slight hypokalemia for some time (maybe like a year), which is probably related. Just 2mg under the low reference range.
For those who don't know, sodium and potassium basically works in tandem, the one helping to process the other. It's usually advised to get a 2:1 ratio of K to Na.I realized I was craving salt a lot of the time, and had a tendency to heavily salt most everything. I also have almost no taste for sugary stuff, which is probably related. I've always been this way. Not peaty, lol.
According to Chris Moggerjohn it'd also do good to limit fructose and sucrose intake, which is probably why I naturally avoid fruits in the first place.
Anyway I decided to try upping my potassium intake, through potassium chloride in water, some limited fruits, and milk, and, lo and behold, my urine stopped being foamy right away. Potatoes are also rich in potassium, I should use them.It's been 2 days and no foamy urine at all so far. I'm of course not saying electrolyte imbalance is the only reason for a foamy urine, but it's a marker I've been tracking for some time, and the correlation is very clear to me now, so it might be a factor.
Will keep you posted.
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@HyperTorless Do you think the potassium chloride was more important, or the potatoes? And how far did you take the potassium chloride?
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@Lovesickhs18 Regarding my last anecdote, I hadn't eaten potatoes, just added potassium chloride to my drink. It was 2 recommended doses (1/6th of a teaspoon x2).
There's definitely correlation to feeling good and not having foamy urine for me.
However, as of today, I'm unsure what it takes. I consume a lot of OJ and milk, knowingly both rich in potassium, but the results have been mixed. It's definitely improved, but results aren't consistent.I'm still trying to figure this out. Will share any improvements!
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@HyperTorless Thanks man!
