Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?
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@AryanRaypEat Peat said that the most important was spreading the bioenergetic message. He didn't care about the political affiliation of the receivers. He was rather on the left side (in the traditional sense).
I guess this forum simply attracts outsiders/outliers of the mainstream, on both sides, left and right....
BTW Honestly, I think that currently left and right have different meanings than in the XX century...
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@Kvirion What is the traditional sense?
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@lutte For people (anti-establishment) and progressive. Sometimes even anarchistic...
The current left isn't like that definition...
BTW it's good to have different perspectives (the whole spectrum) and look for respectful consensus. Currently, most politicians/activists just push their agenda without caring about others...
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@AryanRaypEat
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those on the forum have left dogma for more critical thinking. You can see what I am suggesting by this hopefully.
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RPF isn’t a Reddit ethos. Meaning it’s a safer place for those with more conservative views- to voice those without retaliation.
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@AryanRaypEat His nutritional ideas work, and are very healthy, and conducive to a strong body (It is the original body building diet).
The current iteration of the far right on the internet values health, and a strong body. Thus is interested in his dietary ideas.
Diet fads go in cycles. A decade earlier the right was interested in the ancestral/carnivor/keto diet. In another decade they will probably be back to veganism.As for the ideology, the far right has little in common with Peats political ideas. He valued individualism, and did not see much value in a big state or any tribalism.
He had a soft spot for Stalin though, which I don't understand. It may stem from his admiration of Russian science, and also because he hated the totalitarian forces in the USA.
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Energy flows better when there is order in the structure. Where there is disorder there is interference in the flow of energy. Look at the antifa mugshots and tell me their bodies (and therefore their ideas) are in order. Why do people here evangelize the saturated fats and renounce PUFA's? (look at their molecules)
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@Londyman It's good to have a dynamic balance between order and chaos.
If there is too much order then we have stasis, nothing moves/changes, and there is no response to a continuously changing environment... -
@Andreas Agreed, with a small correction.
Ray prised individual development but also he was a strong proponent of collaboration for a common cause and supporting the poor/oppressed.
I.e. we may call such an approach communitarianism. -
"I found that the progressive people were totally out of contact with reality, and that it was only the extreme right that was interested in health and survival"
-- Dr. Ray Peat, 25 April 2020
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@Kvirion Yes, good point, he was very communal oriented in his way. Even founded his own university for this reason.
His communitarsim extended to humanity at large though, and not to distinct ethnic groups. -
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@herayclitus Yes, the current progressive people are self-destructive, as can be seen in their love of veganism, their apokalyptic outlook, their willingness to destroy their societies out of unrealistic ideas.
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The politcal right is more focused on health and eugenics.
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If you have a healthy body(for example high testosterone levels), then you will be more right-wing. Look at Bearnie supporters, they are a physical pile of shit. All my friends are right-wing, and they look like Dolph Lundgren. The left are fat lesbian coonsomers and immigrants goyslop lickers.
Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.
Ignore, judge, overcommit.
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Yes, the current progressive people are self-destructive, as can be seen in their love of veganism, their apocalyptic outlook, their willingness to destroy their societies out of unrealistic ideas.
Yes, and therefore we have a homeostatic reaction in our social ecosystem. For example, many traditional progressives are joining the right... Moreover, many young people also are joining the right side.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of populism, therefore many people with an honest willingness to help (make things better) are getting scammed (on both sides)...
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@Kvirion This pendulum is probably natural and good. Many of the young people who react to a totalitarian left state with turning to right-wing ideas would have been left-wing in the 1960ies as a reaction to a totalitarian right wing state.
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@Andreas said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
@Kvirion This pendulum is probably natural and good. Many of the young people who react to a totalitarian left state with turning to right-wing ideas would have been left-wing in the 1960ies as a reaction to a totalitarian right-wing state.
Yes, we are in full agreement. Best regards.
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What you call "far right" is simply the common sense and standards that normal society had decades ago.
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@oliveoil said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
What you call "far right" is simply the common sense and standards that normal society had decades ago.
But have you noticed that decades ago we had about 5 billion fewer people, no smartphones/internet, no PUFA, very little plastic, etc?
We are path and context-dependent...
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Also: what we call today the far-right identifies often with ideologies which were in their time seen as very progressive, transformative, not all conservative.
E.g. the Nazis in Germany were in large part young men who wanted to upend society and set new standards.
As a protest movement they incorporated very different lines of thinking, but many Nazis identified as left.They had many ideas in common with today's left in Germany, especially the Greens.
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@AryanRaypEat I think the Twitter side of Peating in particular leans right because many of them heard of it from BAP or Landshark. Another factor is that a lot of the left supports veganism which is not really in line with Peat (ovo-lacto-vegetarianism can be pretty Peaty but that's not satisfactory to the animal rights types). Peat was critical of big pharma and while the left used to be, they have become more and more in line with mainstream medicine in terms of things like Covid, and vaccines in general.
