Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?
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@fiester said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
Let's see if you illiterates can figure out what this Soviet poster says, quoting the great Lenin:
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The ignorance to bring exactly that quote into a discussion with a communist about the Bible! It is almost beyond parody, I could think of like 25 better ways to argue your side than you are doing. Truly pitiable.
This isthe third guy in the thread that has just self-immolated with barely any help from me. Keep them coming!
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@CO3 keep deleting your posts. I am sure this will convince us that you are right. You are not arguing any points. You just bring the commie gib me that toddler mentality to the forum.
Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.
Ignore, judge, overcommit.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe The post was me laughing that your English is bad, and the fact that you didn't know what "Anything but" means.
I assume @brad could confirm but it doesn't need to come to that! When I saw you had misread I deleted that post, since you admitted it was a simple lack of reading comprehension.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe I have argued many points that you have ignored. What's been proved here : your Christianity is a mask, you have no theoretical grounding for your political position, and no knowledge of your opponents' ideas either.
Of course you're giving up, just like the guy before you and the guy before him, it is fine by me! It's even funnier how the discussion shifted to Christianity and its compatibility with communism because the topic on the agenda had already been decided: You are adventurists, vitiating the works of the great Raymond Peat!
And even then in this debate on Christianity and communism, while you were being dismantled utterly, the backup you bring in comes in with uhh but ackshually bible say : "He who does not work shall not eat."
Marvelous! More delicious than the milk powder pancakes with marmalade I had this morning.
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Ah excellent, it's actually still here!
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@fiester said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
So the Bible here is not condemning the rich, simply saying they are more concerned about things that aren't of spiritual value.
What do you think this would lead to, naturally? What do you think happens when you're more concerned about things than about Heaven?
He was not commanding ALL rich men to give everything they have unto the poor, but he was telling how this one man who wanted to please God, how he could further please Him.
Hm... What makes him different?
Not sure how this helps you at all promote communism, it clearly points out how the ratio of what you put in to what you have is pleasing to God. I guess rich people=bad because not giving more? Pretty weak.
Why wouldn't they? Do they need the money?
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Blocking hides all posts which is fantastic.
I like how he had no counter points other than literal propaganda posters.“The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.” (Proverbs 20:30)
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@Truth Read it, it takes seconds! I do not mean this to be dismissive.
I posted the original hebrew on here, with the translation underneath. I would recommend using biblehub for all such interpretations, especially if you are versed in Greek or grammar generally. All the major translations are on there. Abel gives OF his firstlings, AND their fat! Abel gives grain.
My interpretation that a tiller of soil has more surplus product than a shepherd is not in the text! It is however, not entirely without a historical basis, they are different modes of living entirely. This is why crop production lent itself to feudalism.
You can ask yourself why the professions were chosen, and the representations do not stop with the simple reality of the amount of produce of course. It's also a nice implication about the value of these products, to bring it back to the ideas of Ray.
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@fiester
haha he blocks and calls me weak. My counterpoint was Lenin! The great theoretician! The man who Ray looked up to for metaphysics and philosophy! -
@CO3 said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
He gave of the firstlings - multiple! possibly valuable females too - AND of their fat! He has no intention to receive better than he gave, unlike his brother. It's a massive difference from giving some grain that you were going to sell. The two professions are very different in the way that you can accumulate
Are you refering to this ?
I did read the story of Cain and Abel on internet, it doesn't mention anything about Cain intending to receive more in return, nor does it mention that they do these tasks to earn money, sell to whom if they are supposed to be the first children of Adam and Eve, the first humans?
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@CO3 Thanks for deleting some of your unreadable posts. Now please go ahead and delete the rest. You have not argued anything. Nothing you write is coherent. People are indeed giving up, as it is impossible to reason with a moronic maniac. Keep posting Soviet propaganda pamphlets on an English health forum. I am sure this will someday help you coping with existence. We are discussing why the Bible support right-wing ideology, while you are yelling about greed and breakfast. you're at your best when you spam incoherent ad hominem attacks. Almost everyone has blocked you by now.
May you be the proof that man can endure anything.Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.
Ignore, judge, overcommit.
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I have great respect for the out of the box thinkers that have found this forum. That being said, would you be so kind as to apply your critical thinking skills to the following? I was raised in a futurist charismatic evangelical church and spent my early married life on a pilgrimage (search for truth really) which ultimately led my family here (see link) 25 years ago. If you choose to delve into this, thoughtful discussion appreciated, but please do not use Google to critique as we all surely know by now that it's controlled by warmongering globalists who look forward to an engineered (by them) Armageddon. You will find nothing there but smears and disinformation. If this ever goes mainstream, they are DONE.
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@vesprad said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
@fiester said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
So the Bible here is not condemning the rich, simply saying they are more concerned about things that aren't of spiritual value.
What do you think this would lead to, naturally? What do you think happens when you're more concerned about things than about Heaven?
Being carnally minded leads you selfishness. Spiritually minded leads to selflessness. What roads or avenues it takes you doesn't matter as long as the world or wiles of the devil or whatever you wish to call it has it's grasp on your attention rather than God. See James chapter 2 for example, keeping in mind James is talking to people who believe on God already and aren't working, not talking to everyone including non-believers.
He was not commanding ALL rich men to give everything they have unto the poor, but he was telling how this one man who wanted to please God, how he could further please Him.
Hm... What makes him different?
He asked what else he needed to do, Christ told him. What makes him different is he is seeking the truth/God rather than more 'things'.
Not sure how this helps you at all promote communism, it clearly points out how the ratio of what you put in to what you have is pleasing to God. I guess rich people=bad because not giving more? Pretty weak.
Why wouldn't they? Do they need the money?
God only commands us to give a tithe, 10% of our gross income, what people give beyond that is up to them. God only requires our faith, beyond that what you do with your money or time reflects your obedience towards God. Like James 2 above.
Exodus 20:17
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's
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@Norwegian-Mugabe said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
People are indeed giving up, as it is impossible to reason with a moronic maniac
Arguing with a commie is the worst thing you can do to yourself. He has nothing to lose but you will definitely lose brain cells. Its not worth it.
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@Kilgore pussy
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@Norwegian-Mugabe Hilarious! So you're not gonna even attempt to argue, since your head is empty. NEXT!
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Economists did not invent capitalism, it is material reality, independent of thought. The profit motive is not about being greedy, it is based on surplus value. One of the factors that weigh down on your wage (if you are employed). Socialism is easy to fail because it is the transitionary stage; balancing features of "socialism" and capitalism or actively trying to replace the laws of capitalism. Fortunately we have giant monopolistic corporations who are already planning logistics in large scale so even if there were/are no nominally socialist countries, the developement of society still tends toward it.
Eventually it becomes crystal clear that a planned economy is not only possible but good; then the topic might finally move away from whether certain people are "tranny crybabies" " jealous/lazy" or "feigning sympathy". Capitalism is holding us back already. -
@CO3 Christ did not live in a commune. In fact his ministry was largely financed by donations from wealthy people. Landlords, merchants, religious clerics, government officials. The very group of people your Marxist idols hated and massacred.
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@VehmicJuryman
Incredible the way in which you slander Christ, saying he and his flock were dependent on welfare from the rich. You are already implying it here; you pharisees would be the first to judge such a way of living where property was shared. Disgusting.You are more of an opponent to his ideas than maybe anyone else, because you fake your allegiance to him and even use it to justify the satanic order of things in the world.
The point is the mask you call your 'religious' views are downstream of your covetousness. You proved it in this thread but are too blind to see it.
