Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?
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@buckminster Right-left dichotomy is used purely polemically. On its own the distinction is meaningless. It can only be understood by the group that is being excluded from the category "left" or "right" by the speaker.
I'm right wing so: I exclude sin and hideous; and embrace beauty, strength and war against all that is evil. I exclude absolute equality and tabula rasa; and embrace hierarchy, blood and soil. I exclude tolerance of weakness and sickness; and embrace charity, virtue and selfless sacrifice.
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@zawisza said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
I'm right wing so: I exclude sin and hideous; and embrace beauty, strength, and war against all that is evil. I exclude absolute equality and tabula rasa; and embrace hierarchy, blood and soil. I exclude tolerance of weakness and sickness; and embrace charity, virtue and selfless sacrifice.
We are living in a social ecosystem that needs checks and balances. Therefore, a whole (Gaussian) spectrum of political views is needed to keep the system healthy.
There is no (master) hierarchy, there are multiple hierarchies that intertwine with flat (or fractal) communal structures.
Rather than divide people into two classes, conquerors and victims, better to recognize that we all have two aspects, individually and collectively: exploitation and nurturing. ~normonics
“Selfishness beats altruism within groups. Altruistic groups beat selfish groups. Everything else is commentary.” ― David Sloan Wilson, Edward O. Wilson
In our history systems worked best where there was a proper balance between adventurous entrepreneurs and unions, men and women, conquerors and caregivers...
@zawisza do you assume that you have a monopoly to define what is sin, what is beautiful, and what is not?
What about Stephen Hawking who was mentally very strong but physically ill, how can you categorize that?
As you see - things are highly context-dependent. Left and right are both hands of our society. Right prevails when there is a danger/fear. Left prevails when there is a need for a change/relaxation of something. We need both, neither is better.
BTW Evola's views are outdated and also biased.
Adam Smith invented capitalism to serve communities better and it was strongly connected to Christian morality.
Exploitative neoliberalism introduced by Milton Friedman postponed some wars but exploited and corrupted the system from the inside...Panta rhei... | Liberté 🏴 | It depends... ;-)
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@Norwegian-Mugabe said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
- The politcal right is more focused on health and eugenics.
Some people on the right may talk about eugenics but they've done nothing to further it, only the left is actually doing it. They're transgendering/gaying/vaxxing lowly people out of the gene pool, encouraging abortion in low income communities, providing "assisted suicide" to degenerate drug addicts and mentally ill people, etc. And to top it off they've figured out how to make these people love their own extinction. It's genius.
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The left is pro-migration, and pro-redistrubtion of wealth from good people to bad people. Auslander raus.
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@buckminster said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
@Aryan_Racist It is possible to be a leftist and want to be left alone. I'm one of them. There is a strong individualist left-wing tradition. If you want to be left alone, don't you think others want that and deserve it too? Because your profile pic represents the opposite- fear, hate, and hostility. Empathy is achieved from an excess of energy. As that energy expands it extends beyond the individual, forming a perspective of our shared humanity. And what is good for me is good or you, because we are all interconnected.
Yes I want to be left alone and to never have to deal with Jewish tricks and N1ggers and Brown people ever again unless I go to their countries. I hate having to literally thank Niggers at work because it's black history month, accept trannies dancing in front of children, and paying half of my salary so some sheboon who hates me and can't figure out how to change the batteries on their smoke alarms.
What type of "left" do you support that doesn't involve me participating in forced negrolatry struggle sessions to keep my job, allowing my child to be groomed, allowing the state to take half my money to support niggers who can't read and act feral, OR do you support "the old left" which is literally just enslavement to a politburo or "committee" composed of idiots who can't mind their own business. Leftism is the enslavement of the strong and healthy to the weak and sickly of both mind and body.
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@zawisza said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
(The overtone window was not shifted by the right, but by the left (mostly around 2016) by calling everyone not drinking starbuck soy a nazi.)
masz racje zgadzam sie, stary (widze ze masz polskie nazwisko jako username) nienawidze lewicow czyli wspieram ¡TOTAL LEFTIST DEATH!
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@Kvirion Steven Hawking was obviously not even cognizant, someone was writing his stuff for him. People with ALS lose the ability to think after like 1 year. Someone was using him as a mouthpiece, similar to how Edward de Vere wrote all of Shakespeare work for him.
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@Aryan_Racist very interesting conspiracy
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@Aryan_Racist Wow you really have fallen for every psyop in the strategy of tension.
It's pretty amazing that almost every time fash try to articulate their perspective they reveal there is no substance other than hate. And their ideology is just the vehicle to express the hate inside them. It's sad. It's anti-metabolic, high stress hormones, scarcity-mindset. It's also just bad vibes, for themselves and the world - even spreading it on a site that is dedicated to such a loving and empathetic person as ray peat. The fash ideology attracts hateful people. Folks wanna fluff it up with their esoteric evola'ism, but hate is its root, and for many that is its allure. Someone earlier mentioned they were opposed to evil, but I can't think of anything more evil than spreading hate and fear. I wish everyone whatever kind of heart chakra expansion is required to snap them out of the hate psycosis. I don't think its about right-left ideology. Its some sort of deeper spiritual sickness.
"People need to start understanding that the system is systematically murdering them, and understanding that the situation is desperate, they need to see that solidarity with life, against capital, is their hope." RP
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@buckminster so I should engage in meditation to become okay with trannies around my kids, paying my salary to 80IQ sheboons, and paying 2x my rent to Juan the illegal 5'2" guat? Why? You're telling me that not wanting this is hateful?
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To answer the original question "why is the ray peat community so far right?"
I think what your getting at is why has it attracted so many neo nazis and fascists. That is a question many peaters wrestle with. Because in many ways it makes zero sense. When you read rays work, he makes some of the best critiques of racism, eugenics, genetics, and fascism. The philosophy is so antithetical to Ray's work, that it boggles the mind how anyone can think these communities are remotely compatible.
The obvious answer is bap. Even though Ray had been steadily working for many decades prior, bap was one of the first people with a cult-like following to promote his work- bringing in an army of his loyal fans.
I think the more sinister explanation is it's a psyop campaign to discredit ray and destroy his work and legacy.
"John Ioannidis’ article 'Why most research findings are false' is worth reading. Things discussed on 'forums' aren’t. Ordinary corporate advertising has been supplemented by the much more economical practice of hiring product reviewers to slander competing products, joining multiple forums with their 'unhappy experiences.'" RP (2021)
At this point I'm pretty convinced at least some amount of the hate fueled posters are paid for my some firm in the pharmaceutical industry. Likely some poorly paid bot farm in a 3rd world country. In the history of cointelpro operations, this would be pretty affordable and effective. Half the time when engaging with these folks they have obviously not even read rays work.
"People need to start understanding that the system is systematically murdering them, and understanding that the situation is desperate, they need to see that solidarity with life, against capital, is their hope." RP
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Even if someone was fash, why would they engage in a community celebrating and sharing the work of ray peat in this fashion? (hateful profile pics and names) - these are low vibrational energies that spread hate and fear. It is associating the work of ray peat with something antithetical to him. Now when ray's work is reported, he's regularly discredited by the reporter associating him with nazis. Some folks are trying to turn the community into a stormfront forum- this destroys engagement. Folks don't want to participate, it excludes massive sections of humanity that ray's work could reach. It is such an insult to a man people claim to respect and love, that its hard to not consider an ulterior motive. If it's not a deliberate psyop, it functions as one.
"People need to start understanding that the system is systematically murdering them, and understanding that the situation is desperate, they need to see that solidarity with life, against capital, is their hope." RP
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@buckminster if a swasticka pfp scares you then you need to be taking more aspirin and k2, this is a free speech forum
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@buckminster if a swastika pfp scares u then u need to be taking more aspirin, this is a free speech forum
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@Kvirion said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
a whole (Gaussian) spectrum of political views is needed to keep the system healthy.
@Kvirion said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
“Selfishness beats altruism within groups. Altruistic groups beat selfish groups. Everything else is commentary.” ― David Sloan Wilson, Edward O. Wilson
Interesting commentary. As you say, context dependence plays a very big role. Also, some amount of irreducible complexity that defies broad and sweeping solutions is inherent in all human systems.
If social sciences hadn't devolved into meaningless noise we could have a much stronger empirical understanding of the best ways to organize human groups. The work of Weber comes to mind.
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@buckminster said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
Even if someone was fash, why would they engage in a community celebrating and sharing the work of ray peat in this fashion? (hateful profile pics and names) - these are low vibrational energies that spread hate and fear. It is associating the work of ray peat with something antithetical to him. Now when ray's work is reported, he's regularly discredited by the reporter associating him with nazis. Some folks are trying to turn the community into a stormfront forum- this destroys engagement. Folks don't want to participate, it excludes massive sections of humanity that ray's work could reach. It is such an insult to a man people claim to respect and love, that its hard to not consider an ulterior motive. If it's not a deliberate psyop, it functions as one.
I'm not even "trad" as many people would believe. I'm international, multilingual, and very close friends with many "browns" (not blacks though, they legit aren't the same species as us).
I just want weirdos (and blacks) to leave me alone, and the swastika evokes a visceral reaction in these people who I hate.
Also, anywhere that's anonymous and full of energetic young men is literally filled to the brim with homophobic and racist language, jokes, images. You're showing your age tbh.
Stormfront was quite tame by today's standards and only shocking for their sincerity.
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@buckminster said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
To answer the original question "why is the ray peat community so far right?"
I think what your getting at is why has it attracted so many neo nazis and fascists. That is a question many peaters wrestle with. Because in many ways it makes zero sense. When you read rays work, he makes some of the best critiques of racism, eugenics, genetics, and fascism. The philosophy is so antithetical to Ray's work, that it boggles the mind how anyone can think these communities are remotely compatible.
The obvious answer is bap. Even though Ray had been steadily working for many decades prior, bap was one of the first people with a cult-like following to promote his work- bringing in an army of his loyal fans.
I think the more sinister explanation is it's a psyop campaign to discredit ray and destroy his work and legacy.
"John Ioannidis’ article 'Why most research findings are false' is worth reading. Things discussed on 'forums' aren’t. Ordinary corporate advertising has been supplemented by the much more economical practice of hiring product reviewers to slander competing products, joining multiple forums with their 'unhappy experiences.'" RP (2021)
At this point I'm pretty convinced at least some amount of the hate fueled posters are paid for my some firm in the pharmaceutical industry. Likely some poorly paid bot farm in a 3rd world country. In the history of cointelpro operations, this would be pretty affordable and effective. Half the time when engaging with these folks they have obviously not even read rays work.
they are shitty critiques as per usual. however, you're 100% right that it's entirely incompatible as Ray Peat is a marxist, materialist, anarcho-communist, ... he thinks genes are essentially irrelevant and in doing so ignores 100 years of research on behavioural genetics. the few comments he made about such things as twin studies were petty and cringe. a look at himself and his followers provides you all you need to know regarding the veracity of his claims
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Here you have your answer; Robinsonades by deranged FREAKS of Dr. Peat's work.
You could have asked in 1930's Germany "Why are these socialists so right-wing?". The answer would have been simple: they aren't socialists.
This is why you see these grievous vitiations of Ray's work particularly from reactionaries (e.g.that moron 'Charlie')There is no understanding of the underlying, materialist theory.
Ray had a very particular attitude to the interest by reactionaries in his work. I would have to find the specific quote and I can't, so forgive me the, possibly incorrect, paraphrasing but the essence is this:
They might believe the Jews or whoever are poisoning them, and you can redirect this and make them understand that it's the corporations that are poisoning everyone, and increase their political awareness this way.
The implication here clearly being that they're poorly oriented initially. He has another quote lamenting the horrible state of leftists (I agree) when mentioning only reactionaries showed up to his lectures saying something like " At least they care about their own race's health".
This gets to the essence of the matter. A full quote this time:
*Q: "What does Ray think of Marx's scientific method and social revolution?"
A: "Several Christians and capitalists have said Marx's science was very useful. For example, Nelson Rockefeller said he understood Marx as well as the leftist reporters he was talking to, but he used Marx's ideas to increase his power and wealth. That's the nature of a science. Anyone can use it to do what they want to for good or bad purposes. But where Marx got his ethical orientation was right out of Christianity. Christian communism and Christian socialism had been going on almost 2,000 years when Marx created a scientific understanding of why society is built the way it is. But the way you use that scientific understanding, Rockefeller knew it could be good for him to understand society that way. "*
Ray's work is so radical and important that as always the reactionaries have to appropriate it for a twofold reason;
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They are intellectually stagnant, and desperate for anything to appropriate as its own, even when it explicitly disagrees with their most basic assumptions about reality (cfr. all the threads on here 'Why Ray was wrong about Race and IQ' etc etc)
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It is CORRECT, so if you want to progress in any way you can't help but accept it.
I used to be a fascists because I had no politicsal understanding and my horrible physical state was inclining me towards the realistic anxiety of losing socio-economic status and the resulting hatred of the factors i was mistakenly ascribing it to.
The whitepill here is that through their understanding of dialectics the elite has been trying to transform society to be, on its face, classless ( of course this is all a ruse), and this has resulted in reactionary politics being merged with genuinely accurate analyses of reality (e.g. the 'Pandemic', 9/11 etc etc), so that moving forward we absolutely don't have the same luxury of not interacting with many people that under different circumstances would be class enemies, especially in light of Peat's work showing we have the ability of reorient these people.
Anyway read Mind and Tissue!
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