New "Mission" of RPF
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That's an interesting point. The Viet Cong -- Soviet-backed communists -- were called Charlie. Yes, I am thinking that there is no 'Charlie' except as an invented character, and there never was.
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@C-Mex I found his name - Bruno Vandekerkhove was the founder of Peatarian
That’s from here https://web.archive.org/web/20151220053743/http://beesandbutterflies.org/p/Bruno
List of members here
https://web.archive.org/web/20160206155604/http://beesandbutterflies.org/usersThis is him https://www.facebook.com/bruno.vandekerckhove.37/
I remember messaging with him back in the day... he used to call Ray “Papa”
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It is interesting that Charlie's family business now has a new front page. It is a retail business and has a physical presence in Tallahassee, FL.
https://lifegivingstore.com/https://www.bbb.org/us/fl/tallahassee/profile/health-and-wellness/life-giving-store-0403-236010413
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
That's an interesting point. The Viet Cong -- Soviet-backed communists -- were called Charlie. Yes, I am thinking that there is no 'Charlie' except as an invented character, and there never was.
“Charlie” is real
He was doxxed back in February - or that’s when it was sent to me privately
That information, I see, no longer exists
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@Peatful said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
That's an interesting point. The Viet Cong -- Soviet-backed communists -- were called Charlie. Yes, I am thinking that there is no 'Charlie' except as an invented character, and there never was.
“Charlie” is real
He was doxxed back in February - or that’s when it was sent to me privately
That information, I see, no longer exists
Which is appropriateNo. The guy who set up the Llfe Giving Store (a likely CIA front) might have been doxxed. You sent me his name privately here at the same time as you asked me what my username on the Forum is/was. Remember?
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@DavidPS said in New "Mission" of RPF:
It is interesting that Charlie's family business now has a new front page. It is a retail business and has a physical presence in Tallahassee, FL.
https://lifegivingstore.com/https://www.bbb.org/us/fl/tallahassee/profile/health-and-wellness/life-giving-store-0403-236010413
Are you sure? I had questions about this earlier and it turned out there was no physical store. I get this error:
This address looks like a mail service to me, the kind of businesses that will hold or forward your mail for you.
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@C-Mex I went back and read this thread. Where it is headed in it’s entirety. Im curious to see what unfolds.
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You also told me that his name was posted on Twitter and that was how you knew it. When I asked you for a link, you couldn't find it.
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@C-Mex ok
It was scrubbed
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@jwayne
Thanks. There's no physical store, just a couple of people as contacts and links with home addresses, one in Florida and one in Georgia, some PO boxes and/or mail services used. I looked around at this earlier because I was trying to figure out how 'Charlie' could be claiming that his business and his family were being threatened when nobody even knows who he is and I had assumed that there must be a physical store for such a thing to be happening.
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@Regina said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex Maybe there was/is no "Charlie."
The term "Charlie" used by the military mainly refers to enemy soldiers.You're going to need to press @haidut. Georgi says he talked to "charlie" after the banning, right? And perhaps on other occasions. Maybe Danny Roddy has been in touch with Charlie? Has anyone exchanged PM's with him before in years past?
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@C-Mex The review on BBB matches the female name mentioned (plus an extra one) in the LLC data for both stores. Didn't someone mention charlie was recently divorced, or am I misremembering characters? Couldn't the names/address listed be correct for the actual store and accounts? If so, then its plausible someone easily found this publicly available information and wrote hate mail, etc.
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I predict that the Life Giving Store will be at the forefront of (after purportedly finding discrepancies and/or problems with some of the products they obtain from a third party) calling for federal regulation in the supplement industry.
Edit: And since the Life Giving Store will be linked with the Ray Peat Forum, some people will wrongly conclude Peat's endorsement of this and that this is a 'continuation and improvement on the life's work of Ray Peat'.
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@jwayne said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex The review on BBB matches the female name mentioned (plus an extra one) in the LLC data for both stores. Didn't someone mention charlie was recently divorced, or am I misremembering characters? Couldn't the names/address listed be correct for the actual store and accounts? If so, then its plausible someone easily found this publicly available information and wrote hate mail, etc.
Earlier on in this thread, there was a link to a guy's name as owner of the 'store' in FL, and his name was associated with some name/addresses in GA. I hadn't seen some of the profiles that you sent so they may be new. There's no physical store -- if you look at the addresses on a map they're in wooded and secluded residential areas, and one was in Florida and the second now in Georgia within this short span of time. I guess the guy's name might have been doxxed, hate mail, whatever, but the way 'Charlie' made it out sounded more like people were physically going after him or his store, but that just may have been my impression. Anyway, the whole thing is a fake, a front, and whoever 'Charlie' is or isn't, wasn't even genuine about having any relationship to the store to begin with. Maybe that link only became convenient to the narrative they are trying to sell much later.
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@Peatful said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex ok
It was scrubbed
Which was appropriateI haven't doxxed anybody, nor have I revealed anything that isn't publicly available. Please refrain from instructing people what to post and contacting me privately.
You didn't have problem giving me his name when you thought I didn't know it.
Or telling me info that you said was on Twitter, but now claim was sent to you privately. Why did you want to know my username on RPF and was that the real reason you contacted me?
Edit: I didn't look very hard, but I wasn't able to corroborate any of these claims about the supposed 'Charlile' person. I presume this to be just another deflection to the 'Charlie is just a really bad guy' narrative.
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@C-Mex
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My opinion is he's a real guy. The idea that he's some mastermind disinformation agent is really just an insult to disinformation agents, lol. I think he's a normal dude who's honestly not that bright. It's entirely possible to slander someone and mislead people through sheer stupidity and not intentional malice. Charles strikes me as the latter.
The gig will be up in a year or two. It's really a matter of when, not if, other people realize this toxic bile theory isn't making them healthier. His revenue stream with his businesses will begin to dry up and stabilize on a fringe minority who "supports the cause." I think this was more or less just a rebranding of sorts to draw more financial opportunity.
Doxxing may be frowned upon but seriously, wtf is going to happen to this guy? Literally nothing. Worse case scenario he wakes up one morning and steps outside to see a million carrots sticking out of his yard
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Liver stuck to his window if we really wanted to horrify him
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Asking the same question about Garrett Smith is an entirely different story. This guy may very well be doing things out of intentional malice. Grant actually doesn't strike that way to me, but I've only seen one interview with Grant. His message was basically "try it, it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't." Smith has made personal attacks against Peat inspired lifestyles for some reason. I don't know why, but it seems like he's grifting hard to grow the movement. It's real easy to attack different "spheres" on the periphery, and find those who aren't doing so well, convince them they've been lied to or led astray, and that they have the REAL answers. Maybe he's tapped into some of this energy. Wouldn't be that hard to do on RPF. Lets be honest for second, a lot of people had issues over there. None of it Ray's fault of course, mostly sheer stupidity on their behalf.
