New "Mission" of RPF
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@TheSir @CO3 I come from steep fundie roots, and have been ingrained in the charismatic community for my entire adult life -- while the latter has a lot of former fundies, they are diametrically apposed. I'll say, Charlie comes across as a basic fundie/evangelical who's deranged and isolated. I found his invocation of God in the vitamin A matters, to have been disrespectful, and trying to rebuke Georgi's Vitamin A beliefs, in Jesus' name sacrilegious!!!
Since the Protestant reformation (especially in America), Protestants have had a propensity for looking for divine justification of their revolutionary validity. Martin Luther claimed the Islamic siege on Vienna was God's judgement for the Catholic church. The Munster rebellion is a great tale of Protestant insanity following prophecies of the Return of Jesus. America has had several fundie Quakers/Freemasons that fall under this "saw an angel/went to heaven/esoteric download" charismaticism they use to create a whole denomination. While it could be called charismatic, it should not be confused with the modern charismatic / Pentecostal / New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement.
The Modern Charismatic community / NAR, would be best described as reactionary. They believe in reconciling the Protestant and Catholic communities (and consider their differences little more than a Hegelian dialectic), and desire to return to the Church practices found in the book of Acts -- essentially believing that decadence and decay saw the Church's stagnation and loss of miraculous and divine power and authority in culture (trading it for governmental papacies). They believe in practicing the gifts that Paul described -- which almost all fundies, even the charismatic ones, don't like in practice.
Note that fundies and charismatics hold to all the same "essential doctrines."
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@Light said in New "Mission" of RPF:
What Christian denomination(s) do Charlie, Garret, ICA, and Blossom belong to? Anyone know for sure?
I'm interested too. Charlie is especially very extreme even for a fundamentalist American Protestant - he advocates polygyny, for one. Also, I would like to know what's the nexus between that and the Vitamin A stuff. I've read some of Grant Genereux's forum and it seems secular, Smith's twitter and website also aren't overtly religiously themed.
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@DonkeyDude said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Smith's twitter and website also aren't overtly religiously themed.
Did you miss the huge cross he has strategically placed behind him in all his videos? It’s like a dogwhistle for people like Charlie and Christalone lady. He knows exactly what’s he’s doing to attract these “trad” types.
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@DonkeyDude said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@Light said in New "Mission" of RPF:
What Christian denomination(s) do Charlie, Garret, ICA, and Blossom belong to? Anyone know for sure?
I'm interested too. Charlie is especially very extreme even for a fundamentalist American Protestant - he advocates polygyny, for one. Also, I would like to know what's the nexus between that and the Vitamin A stuff. I've read some of Grant Genereux's forum and it seems secular, Smith's twitter and website also aren't overtly religiously themed.
Hi, is polygyny communly perceived as extreme?
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@Truth said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Hi, is polygyny communly perceived as extreme?
I'd think so, at least within Christianity. No mainstream church anywhere advocates or practices it. Even the Mormons had to give it up.
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@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
It’s like a dogwhistle for people like Charlie and Christalone lady. He knows exactly what’s he’s doing to attract these “trad” types.
Sure. I just don't get why these beliefs are related at all and how the synthesis has emerged.
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@Light I'm not a Garrettian, but but are these ideas really opposed? From a Peaty perspective the world looks kind of toxic too: most food is a combination of high-PUFA oils, high-PUFA meat and starch. Common food additives disrupt your hormones and destroy your gut. Stress hormone boosting medication is given out like candy. And if you perceive EMF as a serious problem, there's no place on Earth left unpolluted save for maybe polar regions and high seas. Does that mean a true Peater should remain sterile?
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@DonkeyDude I feel like he could’ve come up with any theory and they’d buy it tbh. He’s been playing up the “satanic overlords are trying to kill us” angle since covid. Charlie himself said no proof was required just the other day.
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@Light said in New "Mission" of RPF:
It's more that #2 does not logically follow from #1.
If you believe you're in possession of an esoteric truth that also gives you a competitive advantage and should be spread as widely as possible (which Garrett's people do believe) then it does logically follow. Firstly, passing on your ideology (whatever it is) to your children is the best way to preserve it and hopefully enable it to spread further or at least to create a like-minded community. If you believe in something, you want it to spread. Secondly, if Smith is right and most people are held back by "poison A" and other toxins, then this knowledge will give his followers' children a massive advantage over others and thus let them secure power and wealth. TBH I do feel in a similar way.
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@Light You can have relatively better health, can you? And while I haven't studied low-A mythology extensively, I assume they do have some theory that their diet will make one more resilient to external stresses.
Besides, do you in general believe that one should not have children if the external conditions appear unfavorable? Is there no point in living because forever chemicals and radiation exist? What is, indeed, point of biohacking if there's no point to existence? You might be right, but it's not exactly a view that could inspire any action (whether joining a cult or buying anything), so no wonder Smith doesn't promote it.
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@DonkeyDude That's not what I'm saying. Let's just move on.
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@Not_James_Bond lol it reduces the calcification? I doubt that. Charlie just described hypothyroidism as a VA toxicity
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@AltarandThrone interesting, thanks for the lesson.
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@Peatful I don't think anything said has been classified as slander or libel. The forum went in another direction. It's been around for a decade and it's not defaming his work. They're using specific language that his work is being expanded upon. Seems like a tough case
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@Not_James_Bond also it must be a coincidence that risingfire and divingwater seem like antonyms
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@risingfire I see what you are saying.
Anyone who loved or respected Peat- would hopefully do the right thing- and take his name off the domain.
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@risingfire said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@Peatful I don't think anything said has been classified as slander or libel. The forum went in another direction. It's been around for a decade and it's not defaming his work. They're using specific language that his work is being expanded upon. Seems like a tough case
He said the ray peat diet is toxic (his words) – that it feminizes men – and that Ray was doing bad science. He also said Ray died by his own sword.
