New "Mission" of RPF
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@Peatful I don't think anything said has been classified as slander or libel. The forum went in another direction. It's been around for a decade and it's not defaming his work. They're using specific language that his work is being expanded upon. Seems like a tough case
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@Not_James_Bond also it must be a coincidence that risingfire and divingwater seem like antonyms
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@risingfire I see what you are saying.
Anyone who loved or respected Peat- would hopefully do the right thing- and take his name off the domain.
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@risingfire said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@Peatful I don't think anything said has been classified as slander or libel. The forum went in another direction. It's been around for a decade and it's not defaming his work. They're using specific language that his work is being expanded upon. Seems like a tough case
He said the ray peat diet is toxic (his words) – that it feminizes men – and that Ray was doing bad science. He also said Ray died by his own sword.
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@Peatly Ray was 86 years old. Charlie is under the delusion that everyone should live to 120. That being said poast physeek @Charlie
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It's heinous to me. For a man who claims to be faithful to think his time here belongs to him to this extent. He might very well live to be 120 on a diet of domino's pizza, if he wasn't such a selfish, vacuous cretin.
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IDK about libel or slander but they should stop using his name. Nothing over there remotely resembles his work -- quite the opposite. Dr. Peat had a framework of theory, based on research, experience and other evidence, and that's being thrown out for this or that theory to explain this or that phenomenon. It reminds me of the kind of 'research' I used to do on google before I found Dr. Peat's work.
Ultimately I'm not sure if Katherine is the type to seek legal action on this, or wait for this to die on it's own, which it surely will, but the damage will be done. It doesn't feel organic to me in the least and while there might just be some useful idiots the goal seems to be a discrediting of Dr. Peat's work which would be awfully convenient for the powers that be.
Dr Peat's death at 86 being used as some sort of justification feels off, and incredibly disrespectful to a man who gave so much so freely. Maybe he would've lived longer if he retired to Mexico and spent his days in the mountain sun instead of answering everybody's e-mails and continuing his life's work. And let's not forget that he died sometime after what was arguably a virus developed as a US bioweapon was released or escaped from a lab, and which had a propensity for the elderly and may have been engineered to have genetic predispositions, the consequences of which we still don't and may never completely know.
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For clarification
I never said there should be a suit suggesting
libel, defamation or slander.
Most states don’t allow that once deceasedHow convenient
It’s around his work
His life’s work
Which his books and articles are protected by copyright lawUsing his name on a domain
Then stating his work isn’t complete
That his work is wrong
That his ideas are toxic
EtcMaybe not a legal issue?
Maybe is?But it certainly is a moral problem
What an absolute piece of shtt
Save the world with your new theories
Great
Honestly
Great
Hope it helps manyBut
Using a dead man’s name and legacy
The profoundness of his work
To say
Nah- no goodIm appalled by the many who support this injustice
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It's interesting, because to me it just seems like Charlie has submitted to this orthodoxy normie approach of taking the "kitchen sink" full of vitamins. He was talking about taking niacin, selenium, zinc, potassium, even fucking molybdenum (lol, I've never EVER heard of a molybdenum deficiency before....ever). The "toxic Peat diet" would literally give you all of those nutrients. He was also talking about copper toxicity as if he struck some sort of revelation shared to him by the arch angel Michael. Like, dude, that's not a new concept, literally google the word "overmethylation" and I guarantee you something about copper dominance and/or low histamine will be towards the top of the page. I want to let the record stand I don't have any problem with Garrett. I don't agree with him, but unless he's LITERALLY crazy like Charlie then I don't see how Garrett will approve of his tactics either. Besides, in a year or two from now, once this new fad proves to not work for Charlie either, he'll turn his back on Garrett too. I'm starting to think he's just an insane hypochondriac.
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@AltarandThrone said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@TheSir @CO3 I come from steep fundie roots, and have been ingrained in the charismatic community for my entire adult life -- while the latter has a lot of former fundies, they are diametrically apposed. I'll say, Charlie comes across as a basic fundie/evangelical who's deranged and isolated. I found his invocation of God in the vitamin A matters, to have been disrespectful, and trying to rebuke Georgi's Vitamin A beliefs, in Jesus' name sacrilegious!!!
Since the Protestant reformation (especially in America), Protestants have had a propensity for looking for divine justification of their revolutionary validity. Martin Luther claimed the Islamic siege on Vienna was God's judgement for the Catholic church. The Munster rebellion is a great tale of Protestant insanity following prophecies of the Return of Jesus. America has had several fundie Quakers/Freemasons that fall under this "saw an angel/went to heaven/esoteric download" charismaticism they use to create a whole denomination. While it could be called charismatic, it should not be confused with the modern charismatic / Pentecostal / New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement.
The Modern Charismatic community / NAR, would be best described as reactionary. They believe in reconciling the Protestant and Catholic communities (and consider their differences little more than a Hegelian dialectic), and desire to return to the Church practices found in the book of Acts -- essentially believing that decadence and decay saw the Church's stagnation and loss of miraculous and divine power and authority in culture (trading it for governmental papacies). They believe in practicing the gifts that Paul described -- which almost all fundies, even the charismatic ones, don't like in practice.
Note that fundies and charismatics hold to all the same "essential doctrines."
Very observant. You capture it succinctly.
I would also add that charismatics are oriented towards the God from within in the Holy Spirit while the Fundies are oriented towards the God from without. But I think that distinction matters little in practical terms.
Totally believing in the God from within, absent Jesus Christ as our Messiah is important to have practical relevance in enabling God to improve humanity and make it turn away from fear and act out of true love. With Christianity almost wholly tied to the concept of praying thru Jesus as an intermediary, getting inspiration and courage from the Holy Spirit becomes merely a fallback and does not get the top billing in our minds and hearts.
Asking for Jesus all the time, and petitioning saints and those departed and those who live to pray through Jesus (for Catholics and perhaps and Orthodox Christians and some Protestant sects), or going directly to Jesus (Evangelicals) very well means we all tolerate the injustices to persist in the world while praying Jesus will deal with the wicked transgessors eventually in the afterlife, or when Jesus finally comes back as the Messiah, as promised by the Virgin Mary in Fatima, or as putatively foretold in the Bible in the Rapure, as Evanelicals believe.
Mankind is thus disempowered of any meaningful action at reform in making the world a better place- to be born into a lesser earth and to leave the world better when he leaves, because Christianity and its followers are an impregnable wall to overcome.
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The hoopla surrounding this sure provides a convenient distraction and source of division for the very online community who might be questioning whether Peat's or maybe the their loved one's death might have been a result of something our government might have done or some secret research that is ongoing, or some government policy that he was critical of that puts us all at risk. We know that the alphabet agencies have been interested in Peat since his Blake College days. So much easier to blame Peat himself for his own death and discredit his work all at the same time. Why would Charlie insist on keeping Peat's name for his forum if he's totally abandoned every principle? If he was worried about losing his base he wouldn't be calling Dr. Peat's work 'toxic', knowing he would alienate many potential customers. Why insist on the obvious untruth that he's pushing an extension of Dr. Peat's work? I'm just following my current train of thought in line with current events and revelations...
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Why would Charlie insist on keeping Peat's name for his forum if he's totally abandoned every principle? If he was worried about losing his base he wouldn't be calling Dr. Peat's work 'toxic', knowing he would alienate many potential customers.
paradoxical, a possible explanation is stubbornness because people pointed out the questionable ethics of keeping ray peat in the name while debasing his work. if it was purely financial that would be one thing, but im not convinced that is the case since the recent attitude is not conducive to selling products his own shop carries for example. certainly not conducive to getting people that are interested in discussing ray peat to pay for a membership either....
if i wasn't completely convinced of the sheer stupidity of the people involved, i would be right there in agreement that there is something else going on here. i wouldn't underestimate how erratic an unhealthy organism who has been in a bad state of health for probably over a decade can be.
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@oldchem said in New "Mission" of RPF:
if i wasn't completely convinced of the sheer stupidity of the people involved, i would be right there in agreement that there is something else going on here. i wouldn't underestimate how erratic an unhealthy organism who has been in a bad state of health for probably over a decad
Can't disagree there TBH, but then that's how they sold us on the 'crazed lone gunman' theories in the 60's too, lol. The absolute about-face of Charlie, his presence, and the forum policies after the death of Dr. Peat just has me doing a double-take. Then there's the entrance of Dr. Mercola on the scene with some reportedly strange goings-on with his business/newfound spirituality coincidentally or not after showing an interest in Dr. Peat's work via Haidut. I have no idea if this is related or not, but it is odd. I feel for Haidut because his business is tied in with the RPF, and I think he is still trying to keep it afloat, but just try asking questions over there about this new dogma and you will be ignored or told that something is 'toxic' and the conversation will continue on without you. It's a given that's Peat's work is irrelevant. It's been asked before where this contingent of people suddenly came from. Charlie says it is because they never had a 'voice' before, but why would that be if they've been members for years?
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
It's been asked before where this contingent of people suddenly came from. Charlies says it is because they never had a 'voice' before, but why would that be if they've been members for years?
this to me is by far the most interesting aspect of this scenario. it is also a bit rich for admin to claim those people didn't have a voice. according to member (now banned i believe) 'raypeatclips', there was a period where disagreeing with the board consensus on fat intake would get you banned. he mentioned this happening several times on various subjects if i remember correctly. suffice to say, if there was a period where people did not have a voice it was purely because of admins decision to censure them. so why the change of heart? well, there is no change of heart, disagreeing (insulting at this point really) with peat is now acceptable/encouraged because it's what the admin is personally doing himself.
it does appear to be the case that some of these people have been doing low vitA for a few years now, admin claimed around 2018/2019 he had been doing some sort of grape diet/morse diet which is where he discovered the low vA "solution", likewise i think that deranged christ woman who posted 260 times in 3 days in the raypeat subreddit until getting banned has been doing low vA for some years now. this is of course per their own postings on rpf, at this stage i don't really trust these peoples own assessment of how they eat, these are the same people who insist fructose is poison while eating 6 apples and 5 bananas per day. delusional.
i must say though, im not shocked these people are proponents of this theory, nor am i shocked this particular caste has seemingly bought into this theory en masse, and i believe i have an explanation. i mentioned the fella several times as i have particular ire for him but the minute i saw matt stone was a proponent of low vA i knew this was going to make the rounds in all the usual suspects who hop from fad to fad, so here we are. people who have had issues for decades and don't seem to be getting closer to a solution, reading health groups day and night looking for the next big thing. i mention all of this to say, i think this explains "where" they are coming from.
that being said, everything else you point out is undeniable and can't be overlooked: blake college, the deranged mercola meltdown, etc. an uncanny amount of coincidence.
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Thanks for indulging me, and what you're saying does make sense.
However, I just look at the lengths they went through to set up Oswald and probably the other 'lone gunman' assassins but it is more about information control and discrediting/disrupting popular movements these days, and it would not defy belief to me that agents of the establishment are in and among the online community. Ray Peat's thoughts and research always challenged the system and we are in he midst of a particularly precarious popular movement at the moment IMO, that has a lot to do with questioning the established medical system (which as it turns out has more and more to do with the mainstream media and the military industrial complex than we knew) as it were. The idea that his work would be displaced by a self-proclaimed "Nutrition Detective" and 'expert on Vitamin A toxicity' by the RPF seems beyond ridiculous, but maybe I just have a suspicious mind of late.
As usual tactics, it could be a combination of purposeful agents along with some useful idiots, Pointing to Oswald and what is known about him -- the lengths they went to to set him up as a patsy probably years before the final plan was even conceived much less executed (read JFK and the Unspeakable for reference) I think it is possible that the death of Ray Peat provided an opportunity for those looking for a way to disrupt the movement and/or discredit him and disperse those following his work by using agents already established online and the patsies that follow them (no offense to anyone, lol). We know less and less about what goes on behind the scenes online and with AI in the present and in our future we have to be aware of the very real threats of online manipulation. Wasn't Charlie using chatGP to generate some messages? I just find it incredibly convenient to the establishment that RP's work is being questioned and even called 'toxic' by its some of its supposed foremost advocates at this particular point in history.
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@questforhealth said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Hmm. Whats up here?
Charlie's business 'Life Giving Store' just started stocking a new product. You can guess what it is.
I imagine people are having bad reactions because it's a shit quality product or it's because niacin is inferior to niancinamide.
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Genuinely curious how do the pro VA camp explain the fact that once VA/ retinoids acid gets dumped into the blood from the liver, which happens on a reduced VA diet, wreaks havoc on the body and causes toxic effects?
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@GreekDemiGod Hi, what is the evidence for this claim? Does this claim imply that there isnt any other "vitamin" that above a certain threshold or above a certain threshold relative to other elements in the blood, is associated with "toxic effets", and that "vitamins" can increase unlimitedly in the blood without causing "toxic effects"?
