New "Mission" of RPF
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@chosroes Well spotted
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@C-Mex
Here is the comment from 2019. I expect to see more along these lines as Vitamin A gets demonized and becomes the scapegoat. If it weren't for that pesky Vitamin A, nobody would ever get Seasonal Affective Disorder when working long hours indoors, or when they engineer a way to block the sun.
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Posted by a user under Charlie's announcement of RP's 'blessing'/ Although obviously I can't vouch for its veracity. It does have the common theme with the e-mail to Danny that RP was concerned about some personal comments made about him and about Progest-e. It will be interesting to see if Charlie produces the e-mail from Ray he claims to have.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Posted by a user under Charlie's announcement of RP's 'blessing'/ Although obviously I can't vouch for its veracity. It does have the common theme with the e-mail to Danny that RP was concerned about some personal comments made about him and about Progest-e. It will be interesting to see if Charlie produces the e-mail from Ray he claims to have.
Have you see this thread?
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LMAO, Impero is an absolute boss
See the conversation that followed the image above (link)
Charlie replies:
Nothing but breaking down the character of people instead of addressing the problemThen Impero replies:
Charlie then finds an X thread where Impero wants to "have some fun"
Finally, Impero replies, presenting Charlie with an option: Ban him and confirm that it's fake, prove that they conversations are real and post proof.
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@brightside how hard is it to post proof? he obviously faked those conversations. He really fucked himself by pretending he's got Peat's endorsement.
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YUP. He really dug himself a hole there. I made sure to screenshot the above conversation in case he realizes that not removing it makes him look really dumb and like a liar.
Sucks that he found Impero's twitter thread, would have been interesting to see what charlie would have replied..
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@brightside I thought imperos motives were a little obvious, he should have at least not posted on twitter to have plausible deniability, but in the end charlie still ends up looking like a fool so i guess it's a win. I've started saving screenshots of everything just in case too.
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@Peatly To me this does not read like Ray.
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The exchange must be legitimate, the lion might have altered the part for emphasis, but it's not a big deal. I wouldn't get caught up on it, as it can be used to distract people from the main issue, letting tension build up around it on purpose, only to discredit the indignant as fools later.
- "Can I open up a forum with your name for people to come together, discuss health and your teachings?"
- "Umm.. I think so."
- "Would you mind if somewhere along the way I turned it into a racket, tried to appropriate members' posts, disseminated that your approach kills persons and should be ditched to save humanity, imposed my mentor's ideology that poison A is a toxin, corrupted the space into a nucleus of misinformation and alarmism, banned contrarians who crossed my path to question authority, but not missing the chance to laugh at their faces?"
- "Oh, it's o.k. with me, but I don't know if I'll have time to follow its development."
Edit: I read Barghest's message after posting.
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It is possible that all three e-mails are legitimate (to "Charlie", to Danny, to the unknown recipient in 2020), Ray Peat could have given permission for a discussion board bearing his name in his generous spirit but over the years had misgivings after what it became... Doubtful he gave his 'blessing' to have his character or his product denigrated while others are promoted, and he seems to have believed it was intentional.
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Found this testimonial from someone who tried the vitamin A detox and got worse, her conclusion seems to support the theory about “toxic vitamin A” being a top-down operation:
https://justtakeabite.com/2020/01/06/why-we-stopped-vitamin-a-detox-diet/“A good scientist will try to DISPROVE his or her hypothesis. If there is no way to disprove it, then it might be valid. But if there are numerous cases/studies that don’t support it – that is a red flag. To me, that is what is happening with the Vitamin A Detox Diet. Proponents are trying to prove it, but not allowing any talk of cases where it is disproved.
Lastly, I did want to say that today’s post was about the main reasons we stopped the VAD Diet. There is definitely more to the story on both a personal and professional level. But I choose to keep that private. So if what I wrote seems a bit incomplete, it is. But it will have to do.”
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@Peatly said in A list of members banned from the Ray Peat Forum:
Not sure why Mephisto has been spared when others got banned for making more benign comments than this
It's due to Charlie's authoritarianism. Mephisto was taunting Charlie with: "just ban me already you prick". Of course, though Charlie most likely did want to ban him, this itch was overridden by his desire to not take orders from anyone.
A similar thing happened when Impero gave him the following ultimatum:
"So, which is it?
Are you taking the True Man of Honor and Integrity Way? (Posting your secret screenshot)
Or the easy way out? (Dropping the hammer)"
To which he replied "both", overriding not only the the isolated desire to simply ban Impero, but also his previous decision to not share more proof. He couldn’t simply ban impero because that would have meant yielding power to Impero's ultimatum. In order to avoid this, he had to additionally go against his own word and show proof despite previously saying that he won't do it.
I think this suggests that Charlie cares more about power than personal integrity.
Update: I am now banned too as a result of this post.
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@TheSir what a hypervigilant soap opera this is!
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@TheSir said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Update: I am now banned too as a result of this post.
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This is totally creepy that they are monitoring people after driving them away with this Vitamin A toxicity b.s.. That site has likely been completely compromised from its inception, can't think of any other explanation for all of these events.
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@C-Mex he also stalks reddit and facebook ray peat groups, i don't know when he sleeps given he's always lurking, unless he's got his "friends and family" doing it too
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@Barghest said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex he also stalks reddit and facebook ray peat groups, i don't know when he sleeps given he's always lurking, unless he's got his "friends and family" doing it too
I wrote the post for which I was banned sometime between 10 and 11 AM Central European Time. Returned to the site shortly after that and was already banned. Depending on what time zone he lives in it must have been in the middle of the night or very early morning in the US. (East Coast time zone is CET - 6).
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Here's a recent hit-piece on Mercola. Given his recent interest in RP's work and the similar quasi-religious takeover at RPF I'm still left wondering if he's a pawn or a player set up to to take the fall.
