New "Mission" of RPF
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I've been coming across random 'Ray Peat nearly killed me' posts on Twitter, usually as a repost and retort to somebody speaking highly of him. According to them I should have died long ago. This is a campaign.
Kind of akin the 'dangerous ideas' they're always so eager to quash politically.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
According to them I should have died long ago
I think we know what their answer is. It's in that conversation between Charlie and Rinse & rePeat. You're either so young and can "get away" with living a toxic lifestyle. Or you're so old your body doesn't bother "detoxing" anymore.
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Or stealing from future energy if you feel good now, lol.
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The low vitamin A diet is ridiculous. Just beans, rice and beef? What kind of life is that?
So what about the French, Italians and Greeks? They all eat copious amounts of vitamin A foods... dairy, eggs, colorful vegetables. I see many healthy Italians, French and Greek people who are also in shape. Many of these low vitamin A propagandists look terrible.
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@jwayne Hopefully his followers won't drink the kool-aid.
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@DonkeyDude said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Despite running the #1 Peat online forum Charlie was never particularly well-known or respected in the community. He has never established direct communication with Peat like Danny Roddy or even some fairly obscure Youtubers.
And how many of these supposed Toxic A/bile converts -- including Charlie -- gave Dr. Peat one thin dime for all the information and knowledge he shared? Dr. Peat did offer private nutritional counseling which I noted on his website, but he didn't market himself. How many interviewed him, and how many --including Garrett Smith himself who claims to have been a follower and practitioner of Peat's princples until he claims they made him sick -- even e-mailed Dr. Peat for further advice or explanation or discussion, especially since Smith calls himself an expert? How many even signed up for the Ray Peat newsletters, which were a wealth of information and not a marketing device like the writings of most of the phony health 'gurus', and offered at a ridiculously low cost? Where's the analysis and honest critique of his writings and his work if he got things so wrong? There isn't any. It's just unfounded claims. This campaign against Dr. Peat is phony and rotten to the core.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Or stealing from future energy if you feel good now, lol.
I know, that doesn't even make remotely good sense. We don't have a "finite" amount of energy. We don't even lose our energy when we die. Energy is always transforming. This mimics the ideas of "rate of living" by Pearl and others, only it even makes less sense than Pearl's ideas. I guess because Raymond Pearl was a biologist and kinda smart, so he could make a stupid theory sound a little better. Charlie is so dumb dude asks AI for his theories. If you follow that senseless claim to it's logical conclusion then everyone should be like the curious case of Benjamin Button.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
And how many of these supposed Toxic A/bile converts -- including Charlie -- gave Dr. Peat one thin dime for all the information and knowledge he shared? Dr. Peat did offer private nutritional counseling which I noted on his website, but he didn't market himself.
Probably not much, if any at all. Peat seemed to be anti-market in a lot of ways, probably stemming from some of his beliefs about capitalism and whatnot. Which made support all the more hard to come by. Even Ray's books are kinda obscure and hard to find from online bookstores. I think a good majority of his income was likely through Progest-E sales. Which is why he seemed to express concerns about RPF's admin and some misleading remarks about his product. Politically and philosophically, Smith & Charlie could not be more different from Peat. And I won't pretend like some of the animosity there isn't due to this.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Where's the analysis and honest critique of his writings and his work if he got things so wrong? There isn't any. It's just unfounded claims. This campaign against Dr. Peat is phony and rotten to the core.
Pretty much. Even Mary Enig's critique of Peat's EFA claims was less "unfounded" then some of the stuff in the toxin A crowd. And it's not like Enig's critical analysis was very...analytical if you know what I mean. Her pov was simply Ray was "confused" about fatty acids. I think Kyle Mamounis is probably the only one smart enough and honest enough to give a sensible critique of Ray's works. But since Kyle actually agrees with a vast majority of it, I doubt such an extensive critique will ever be produced.
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If the Enig critique is the one that was written over a decade ago, I did read that and found it unconvincing.
The question was posed on the RPF whether anybody asked Ray Peat specifically about the toxic a 'theories' and the answer given was that he replied that he didn't simply see any evidence for it, but is this the case? Was the question posed to him in a serious manner -- if at all -- and was he presented with any research or evidence? The toxic a thread over there was around for years before his death. I don't have the stomach or the patience to read through that thread myself.
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@S-Holmes Thank you!!
That is very fitting that you should say that... since you do find a lot of beneficial compounds in cream, including vitamin A as well as other exotic things e.g., milk fat globule membrane (MFGM) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456308/
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I don't want to sound too judgemental... but anyways here goes, I have to get this rant out of me:
The idiots on RPF that say that they got harmed by the "Ray Peat diet" are some of the dumbest persons I have ever come across. Let me explain.
For example, mosaic01 thinks that on the "Ray Peat diet" carrots are the ONLY allowed source of fiber. How myopic can you be to read Ray Peats work, and then come to the conclusion that you are only allowed to get fiber from carrots? What about fiber from cooked vegetables, whole fruits, residual fibers from starches like potatoes, wheat bran, oat bran; all of which are foods that Peat endorsed at some point?
Like hello?!?! What is even going on inside your heads? Sometimes I doubt whether these are real persons, I can't even fathom it. YOU CAN EAT OTHER FOODS THAN CARROTS AND OJ.
But that is probably not the worst part, I would be actually be okay if someone legitimately thought that Ray is the "carrot only for fiber" man. The worst part is blaming all your failures, that YOU CAUSED by eating foods that did not agree with you (or some other lifestyle issue that you did not address), on Ray Peat. It makes me furious to see Ray's life work being dragged through the mud like this by low IQ posters.
What is so difficult for these people to understand that Ray did not prescribe specific diets? I just don't get it.
Thanks for banning me I can't stand spending any more time on RPF.
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I've seen lots of mis or disinformation (depending on how you look at it) over there on the RPF about Ray Peat's work.
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If this is someone here, keep it up. Lmao.
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@Korven said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I don't want to sound too judgemental...
You don't sound judgmental at all.
Good day Korven.
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@Korven said in New "Mission" of RPF:
What is so difficult for these people to understand that Ray did not prescribe specific diets? I just don't get it.
I felt like I was in a vacuum trying to get that point across on the forum a couple of years ago. Peat had like that one iconic herb doctor interview where he told the hosts he drank like a gallon of milk a day, and I guess everyone thought he was recommending that as a template, lol.
That interview Danny had with those producers of "on the back of the tiger" documentary was pretty telling, and hilarious. That guy said while he was interviewing Peat they showed him all these images of people stocking their fridges with orange juice and stuff. Like, apparently Ray didn't know about his online popularity until that point. The guy said Ray's eyes widened and he said "I think I need to be more careful with what I say from now on." That was fucking hilarious, and it explains so much in such a little one sentence.
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@Korven said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Like hello?!?! What is even going on inside your heads? Sometimes I doubt whether these are real persons, I can't even fathom it. YOU CAN EAT OTHER FOODS THAN CARROTS AND OJ.
They need to portray Peat's recommendations as orthorexic/restrictive to make their proposed diet of "beef, beans and rice for the rest of your life" seem not so bad by comparison.
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Here is a new video from After Skool:
Why Smart People Believe Stupid Things -
sounds like they are dumb then
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There’s a chap called “ThorTorrens” buzzing around Smith's tweets, occasionally shading Ray, engaging in anti-carrot extremism and doing his best Bradley Cooper impression.
https://x.com/ThorTorrens/status/1766923745447354603?s=20
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@ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:
There’s a chap called “ThorTorrens” buzzing around Smith's tweets, occasionally shading Ray, engaging in anti-carrot extremism and doing his best Bradley Cooper impression.
https://x.com/ThorTorrens/status/1766923745447354603?s=20
Great catch.
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@C-Mex
This what passes for science I guess in this controlled opposition campaign.
