Sleep help

LucH

would you advice thyroid t3, like you are hypo?

No hormone when at your state. Too soon.

Elza log
Hi,
I can assist you if there is no interference. Only one way possible. Free to agree or not of course, when I make suggestions. If not convinced, say it clearly. I’m rather directional (former teacher).
Open a new log, leave a link here.
Call it sth like “Elza’s log – Sleep Help”.
Of course, you’re going tobe iinformed (links) to understand why it’s advised to do sth.
First task:
Go back 6 months ago. How did you feel: energy, mood, sleep, digestion & transit? Is there an evolution. How intense?
Symptoms on 2 last months.
Separate the facts from the impressions (2 parts). Telegraphic style.
Give your menu for 3 usual common days. Only the food elements. How many meals. Supplements taken for the last 2 weeks.
What’s your activity: work outside / inside, householder with children or not. Time for free activities (read, walk, sport, garden, TV, etc.).
Take time to answer. You can use preceding info already posted.
I repeat:
First informative reading. It takes time.
When I give an internet link, copy the link in your search engine, in order to choose the option with translation. So, do not click on the link (French text, translator needed).
Note there’re 3 main states when suffering from exhaustion and poor sleep. Taking the right molecule at a wrong moment, won’t match. We need enzymes to assimilate and take benefit from the supplements. E.g. if you take 5-HTP too soon, it won’t function; only when stress is under control. Idem if you take it for more than 8-12 weeks. The body must re-learn how to produce serotonin. In short, serotonin is a central regulator of mental and physical well-being, connecting the brain, gut, sleep, and emotions.
Metabolism needs time to relearn how to function without stress, therefore without adrenaline and cortisol. Cortisol disrupts the availability of serotonin. Serotonin depends on its precursor: tryptophan, not available if …

We distinguish 3 states of maladjustment

High state of stress and poor sleep (often awoken between 2 or 4 a.m.).
=> Fundamental principle (to keep in mind): You should never supplement a hormone or a neurotransmitter when the system is still in hyper-adaptation.
Medium state of stress: Inflammation, intestinal microbiome, nutrition, sleep and activity (15’ walk) are more or less possible. Progressive intensity with activities with sufficient recovery periods.
Consolidation. Idem but with less side-effects. Drive / enthusiasm and pleasure are more present (satisfaction).
NB: Please, do not take RP’s advice into account when suffering from a low metabolism. We don’t eat liver when we’re exhausted, nor drink more than 100 ml oj when suffering from glycemia. Only adapted for a high carburation level.
The key indicator of success (often overlooked):
It's not: mood & energy
It's: the return of healthy tiredness in the evening, and a calm awakening in the morning.
This is a sign that:
daytime serotonin levels are sufficient
nighttime melatonin levels are being maintained
regulation is returning to normal

Useful info

Manage stress, fatigue, anxiety and avoid burnout! (In French. Translator required).
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2155-gerer-le-stress-la-fatigue-l-anxiete-et-evitez-le-burn-out#30498
Cortisol has knocked out the body's ability to produce serotonin. Disruption of the serotonin-melatonin cycle. Taking a pill to sleep isn’t going to solve the problem on long term. Fine if only in a protocol. Don’t wait too long.
Collation sucrée et tryptophane (Sweet snack and tryptophan)
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2155-gerer-le-stress-la-fatigue-l-anxiete-et-evitez-le-burn-out#30505
NB1: Take time to read and assimilate. Good luck.
NB2: If you don’t understand sth or don’t agree, say it. There will be periods of relapse and periods of discouragement, as well. Logic.
I’ve just downloaded this appli on my phone to practice sophrology: 3 x 3 minutes of diaphragmatic breathing. The belly expands.
09.30’ 04.00’ PM and 8.00’ PM (3 alarms on my phone).
=> Free appli respirelax+
NB: Mind excess pub when on the site. Okay when downloading.

Elza

@user1 I am not maxing on anything. I have liver once à week. All of this started after I started on antipsychotics medication Xeplion. I have insomnia along with constipation, I need a laxatif to go to the loo and my periods are late like weeks, last month it was 2 days with very little blood more like dark spots. I am so desperate and tired. I can’t stop and I have to take it. My Doctor is living this month so everything is complicated. I will have to explain to the new one, once they find him or her.

Elza

@LucH that’s a lot of work and I am so tored right now. As I szid all of this started with the antipsychotic xeplion. Along with sleep I am as well constipated and didn’t have my periods this month. Its very hard right now for me. I have zero motivation, dont feel like doing anything. This is seriously playing on my moral and energy. I feel stuck and not well.

user1

@Elza said in Sleep help:

@user1 I am not maxing on anything. I have liver once à week. All of this started after I started on antipsychotics medication Xeplion. I have insomnia along with constipation, I need a laxatif to go to the loo and my periods are late like weeks, last month it was 2 days with very little blood more like dark spots. I am so desperate and tired. I can’t stop and I have to take it. My Doctor is living this month so everything is complicated. I will have to explain to the new one, once they find him or her.

Ok. Why do you have to take xeplion? Have you tryed not taking it for a few days at least and see if it resolved the sleep issue? Xeplion side effects include insomnia and constipation, you very likely should not take something that cause insomnia and constipation long term and find other ways to fix the reason you took it in first place

LucH

@Elza said in Sleep help:

that’s a lot of work and I am so tored right now.

I understand. Need time and energy to answer.
2 possibilities:

Not quite convinced by the way you should handle the “problem”. No issue, at this time.
It could do the job. Take time to manage and come back when you feel it. Cut the answer in several paragraphs:

Physical symptoms
Feeling (subjective comment)
Menu (3 usual days)
Pause
First staple (how to manage) with low energy and mood.
What to do / what to change.
Second staple (hormonal approach + enzymes).
Last staple (consolidation).

Elza

@user1 I have no choice. I have to take it. Its an injection not pills form so I can’t decide to take ut or not. I am tryin to negotiate to reduce the dose.

Elza

@LucH OK, thanks. I will see. As I said the culprit is the xeplion. I would like advice to diminish the sude effects and survive this. Its just awful.

user1

@Elza said in Sleep help:

@user1 I have no choice. I have to take it. Its an injection not pills form so I can’t decide to take ut or not. I am tryin to negotiate to reduce the dose.

God be with you. I hope you have your family to take care of you and not let docs do whatever they want to do in term of medications and dosage.

Elza

@user1 thank you. I am unfortunately quite lonely in trying to get better help. My family see Doctors as authority figure you have to obey. I find myself in a terrible predicament.

pittybitty

LucH is talking nonsense again because her LLM got bought out by pharma.

Serotonine is a stress hormone. It directly increases cortisol through CRH (Corticotropin-Releasing Hormone) -> ACTH (Adrenocorticotropic Hormone). High serotonin = high cortisol = no sleep.

Cortisol is how the body increases blood sugar when no sugars are available. Thus a prerequisite to lowering cortisol is eating more, as mentioned very early in the thread, regardless of method.

The most short term effective way of decreasing Cortisol would be Cyproheptadine (also known as Periactin). It greatly reduces Serotonine, Cortisol and Histamine, all the hormones that disrupt sleep. Note that the body need Cortisol to wake up after sleeping again and Cypro has a long half life, that means that people usually sleep longer than usual when they have taken Cypro. Sleeping 14 or even 16 hours is not unheard of, and given your current level of sleep deprivation is even highly likely. To avoid that take the Cypro 18 hours before your target wake up time, so that it's effect is still strong when you go to sleep but greatly reduced when you wake up.

If you are in Europe you can order Periactin from a spanish online pharmacy, as it is over the counter in Spain.

It will also increase appetite greatly, this is also expected, since the body can't regulate it's blood sugar levels with cortisol anymore it needs to regulate blood sugar through appetite instead.

Elza

@pittybitty hi, I do have some cyproheptadine, but I used it a few times. Now I have a sleeping pill named qviviq, daridorexant, its new on the Market apparently. I would love to sleep long hours but I always wake up after 7/8hours. How much cyproheptadine should I take to be able to do that? Even though I sleep my energy level is still low, not much stamina. I can’t walk much, and when I am home, I always want to be in my bed. I don’t feel like and can’t do much. I go to bed at around 9pm and wake up around 6am. I would love to sleep much more.

pittybitty

@Elza You need to find your individual dosage but I would start with 4mg as taking too little will not have the desired effect. I would take it after a meal so that you have high enough blood sugar without the cortisol.

Cypro is not a sedative. It simply stops the hormones that would mask your natural tiredness. As such you should take it a few hours before you want to sleep and then go to bed when you feel like it naturally. I also wouldn't combine it with any sedatives either, that doesn't make the sleep any more restful, you should already be plenty tired from your sleep deprivation.

Elza

@pittybitty thànks f1or the advice I will see. The higher I took is 2mg.