Has anyone improved their health by peating
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@Jennifer said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
I regained my health, in part, by following Ray’s work and my mum saw a regression in her cancer by following the general diet that Ray told me in an email exchange he recommended, along with thyroid and progesterone supplementation. I’ve written in depth on the old RPF about our experiences and numerous diagnoses, most of which were nonsense, but to summarize:
I was an active hiker in my 20s and without explanation began losing weight rapidly until I was done to 30 kg and at 29, while lifting half a watermelon, I felt my spine collapse under me. Within seconds I had fractured 12 vertebrae, 8 of which compressed, due to undiagnosed thyroid disease that caused advanced osteoporosis, leaving me almost 4" shorter and unable to walk. With the severity of my injury, I was at risk of paralysis if I fractured again and specialists told me not to expect to get better, let alone climb mountains again. Craving quite a bit of dairy at the time, I averaged 4 liters worth of raw milk/homemade yogurt daily, and the rest of my diet consisted of raw cheese, eggs, gelatinous broth, honey, fruit, greens, and smaller amounts of shellfish and pastured beef. Within months I had gained back all the muscle that had atrophied, and within a year I had greatly increased my bone density, going from a DEXA score of -6.7 to -3.6 (for reference, osteoporosis begins at -3.5). During this time, I also learned how to walk again, however, I was still at risk of fracturing, still in a lot of pain, amenorrheic, intolerant to many foods and having gallbladder attacks (doctors wanted to remove it, but I refused). I found Ray’s work about a year later, pressed my doctor to order a thyroid panel and hydrogen breath test, was diagnosed with thyroid disease, SIBO and gastritis, began supplementing thyroid (standardized NDT), got my period back, eliminated the SIBO, healed my gallbladder and intestines, gained back 2 inches of height and my health, and proved the specialists wrong—I’m climbing mountains again.
As for my mum’s experience, she had a biopsy in July of 2020 and was diagnosed with uterine cancer so she upped her thyroid dose by a grain, high dosed Progest-E (a bottle a week) and followed a diet consisting of mainly milk, cheese, eggs, liverwurst, gelatinous meat, carrot salad, fruit juice and sweetened coffee. A week later, in preparation for her upcoming surgery, further testing was performed and revealed that the cancer was worse than the previous biopsy showed—it was in the surrounding walls too—and she was informed that she would likely need chemo and radiation. She continued with the diet, high dosing Progest-E, and despite doctors trying to scare her into dropping her dose, the extra grain of thyroid, and when the surgeons went to remove her uterus 6 weeks later, they were shocked to find her walls were clean—there was no trace of cancer to be found—and she didn’t need any further intervention.
4" shorter? Wow, that sounds horrific.
Do I understand correctly that you started eating a lot of dairy/ calcium a year before getting into Peat? Was it just by going by cravings? Did you not use to eat much dairy before? -
Yeah, it was horrific, @GreekDemiGod. You’re correct—I started eating a lot of dairy a year prior to finding Ray. My doctor at the time, Dr. Catherine Shanahan, authored books on traditional food and put me on a WAPF inspired diet and after having my first taste of raw milk, it was all I craved. I’ve eaten a fair amount of dairy most of my life, but never as much as when I fractured.
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Is the raw dairy that much better than the stuff in store?
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@heyman said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Is the raw dairy that much better than the stuff in store?
Ofc
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Raw milk contains more “bacteria”
So some don’t do as well on it as othersIn regards to a Peat diet
Yes there is a meme diet - which is so dumbAnd Peat has made a very concise statement about the food he “recommends”
Pretty easy to find
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@heyman said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Is the raw dairy that much better than the stuff in store?
For me, yes. In my experience, the flavor depends greatly on the animal’s diet and how the milk is handled, especially in the case of goats, but I’ve never had pasteurized dairy that tasted as good to me as its raw counterpart, and raw has always digested like a dream for me, while pasteurized was extremely constipating when my thyroid function, and thus enzyme production and peristalsis, was poor.
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@Peatful said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Raw milk contains more “bacteria”
So some don’t do as well on it as othersIn regards to a Peat diet
Yes there is a meme diet - which is so dumbAnd Peat has made a very concise statement about the food he “recommends”
Pretty easy to find
Do your own researchHi, What is the difference between ray peat meme diet and ray peat diet, why doesnt the ray peat diet exist? Why do some other diet labels exist and are legitimate to exist but not the ray peat diet one?
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@user1 ray specifically said ray peat forum, a thing that has his name on it, has nothing to do with him.
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@sunsunsun said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
@user1 ray specifically said ray peat forum, a thing that has his name on it, has nothing to do with him.
What did he mean specifically, that he didnt make it and didnt give is permission for a for it to be named after him, or did he explicitly say he doesnt want his name to be used as a label for anything including diet based on his ideas?
Also even in case Ray disliked or didnt want a diet be labeled with his name, how labeling a diet based on ray peat ideas as"ray peat diet" isnt one if not the most pratical and usefull way to label it, considering that Raymond Peat him self did not explicitly chose a label for diets inspired by his ideas, compare to some other people such as paul saladino who use"animal based diet", also considering that some people such as Charlie use the label" bioenergetic"inspired way of living on his forum, while promoting rice muscle meat and bean diet and big dose of many supplements, and while he said Ray peat ideas are toxic, why would you lump Ray peat ideas with any other abused meme label such as "bioenergetic" rather than "Ray Peat Diet"? When the later label is the closest to Ray Peat ideas and people will directly stumble upon Ray peat books, website, and videos at the top of the list if they do a google search"Ray peat", wont happen if they google search"bioenergetic"
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If one cannot get raw milk, is unhomogenized milk the next best thing?
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@heyman said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Ray said :
I normally use pasteurized (and homogenized) milk, and I know people who do best when they use ultrapasteurized milk, and many people who, especially in certain seasons, don't tolerate raw milk. Cows' bacteria change according to what they are eating, and sometimes even the low level of bacteria in pasteurized milk can upset the person's intestinal balance of bacteria. -
@heyman said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
If one cannot get raw milk, is unhomogenized milk the next best thing?
Choosing the Type of Milk (in order of preference):
- Raw whole milk (unhomogenized, unpasteurized) from pasture-raised animals is best (no additives).
- Organic pasteurized whole milk, unhomogenized, from pasture-raised animals (no additives).
- Pasteurized and homogenized whole milk from pasture-raised animals (no additives).
- Organic pasteurized and homogenized milk from pasture-raised animals, 2% or 1% fat.
Remember:
a) The less processed and degraded the milk, the fewer additives it contains, the healthier this food will be for you. Quality is king! Visit www.RealMilk.com for more information on raw dairy products.
b) Organic milk is the best. Research shows that grass-fed cows produce milk with higher levels of CLA and often protein. Organic milk is also free of hormones and antibiotics, with the exception of iodine applied to the udder, which is good in itself (prophylaxis).
NB: Difficult to find milk which hasn't been collected and mixed.
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@user1
idk it's probably cuz using someone's name is different than using a regular word like carnivore or bioenergeticthat's why 'peaty' is somehow less offensive than 'ray peat diet'. peaty is more abstracted and doesn't conjure up the image of the man as much as using his given first name and last name
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@LucH Thanks for the answer, next to impossible it seems to find raw milk here in sweden. Maybe I should get a cow or goat
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@heyman, what @Gardner posted. Whichever milk you have available to you and you tolerate best is the best milk, IMO. In terms of flavor and digestibility, I haven’t found that there is a difference between unhomogenized and homogenized milk, just a difference in mouthfeel. However, due to its smaller fat globules, some people find homogenized milk to be more digestible, though, they are usually referring to milk that is naturally homogenized like goat’s milk and certain heritage breeds of cows such as the Dexter, Dutch Belted and Indian Zebu, but I think a lot of that has to do with the idea that what is natural is better, even if there really isn’t a difference between natural and mechanical homogenization.
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@heyman said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Maybe I should get a cow or goat
Make double-sure it's paratuberculosis-free.
You'll probably need to bear the costs for repeatedly testing the whole herd of the seller for this, tbh.
And only use copper vats for both preparation and maturation if you're going to make yoghurt or skyr or cheese or whatever from it. Won't hurt to also use a copper can also already for collection of the raw milk.When it comes to pasteurized milk, skimmed milk is actually safer than whole milk wrt to the pathogen load as the fat droplets of whole milk also contain much of the cells.
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@user1 said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Hi, What is the difference between ray peat meme diet and ray peat diet, why doesnt the ray peat diet exist? Why do some other diet labels exist and are legitimate to exist but not the ray peat diet one?
Indeed I could "recommend" that you supplement sugar and drink milk, only later to find you stumbling around on the internet complaining that the milk and glucose diet made you serotonergic. Or that adding bananas gave you a cold.
Actually the period between me discovering Peat and joining rpf was also marked by some of the most insane things I've ever done in my dietary life. I now cherish the memories.
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@ThinPicking said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
@user1 said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Hi, What is the difference between ray peat meme diet and ray peat diet, why doesnt the ray peat diet exist? Why do some other diet labels exist and are legitimate to exist but not the ray peat diet one?
Indeed I could "recommend" that you supplement sugar and drink milk, only later to find you stumbling around on the internet complaining that the milk and glucose diet made you serotonergic. Or that adding bananas gave you a cold.
Actually the period between me discovering Peat and joining rpf was also marked by some of the most insane things I've ever done in my dietary life. I now cherish the memories.
Hi, it is not clear, how does an individual or many people consuming relatively high quantity of certains foods that peat recommanded, and getting symptoms from it, make "ray peat diet" not exist as a whole, and make diets inspired by ray peat ideas unlegit to be labeled as "ray peat diet"? And why are other diets legit to be labeled, even if a part of the people trying it will eat it in quantity that cause them symptoms?
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@sunsunsun said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
@user1
idk it's probably cuz using someone's name is different than using a regular word like carnivore or bioenergeticIt is. Yet "Ray peat diet"label is the most usefull and pratical label if the goal to ensure as much as possible that people looking for ray peat ideas actually stumble upon ray peats articles, books, and videos if they do a google search, and not some other stuffs that dont truly match Ray peat ideas
that's why 'peaty' is somehow less offensive than 'ray peat diet'. peaty is more abstracted and doesn't conjure up the image of the man as much as using his given first name and last name
A google search "peaty" doesnt yield the same result at all compare to "ray peat"
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I didn't realise quite how wild the whole 'alt' health and 'diet' space was until the rpf schizm and at least a year on twitter.
@user1 said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
And why are other diets legit to be labeled, even if a part of the people trying it will eat it in quantity that cause them symptoms?
*They're probably not. Or maybe it's temporary. Does the question need to be answered right at this moment. If there's an undiscovered or difficult to discuss extent of a 'diet' in context, there's room for science. Maybe bioenergetics will end up eating some of the space between these things. Ever so quietly and ever so peacefully.
@user1 said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
It is. Yet "Ray peat diet"label is the most usefull and pratical label if the goal to ensure as much as possible that people looking for ray peat ideas actually stumble upon ray peats articles, books, and videos if they do a google search, and not some other stuffs that dont truly match Ray peat ideas
If the 'diet' includes those things and more, it's unlikely you can sit down and say this with a straight face before your subject moves on.
@user1 said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
how does an individual or many people consuming relatively high quantity of certains foods that peat recommanded, and getting symptoms from it
