Too high systolic blood pressure?
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@LucH My glass of apple juice was about 12oz and I had a real apple as well, so glucose might not have been an issue here. I have had hypoglycemia in the past from not enough carbs, and I usually get really tired when that happens. Thanks for the insight!
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If I say hyperosmolar you might limit an association to glucose or hypertonic to sodium.
You're supposed to be a bit thick the morning, but not too much. Create a control condition and see what 250 ml to a pint of water does to it. You can relate this to lots of other self and environmental observations. If it wasn't palatable it didn't necessarily mean you didn't 'need' it.
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Uh oh, I just did two more BP tests and got 159/86 and 151/83. Not the best results but maybe it takes some time for thiamine to get metabolized? Note that I didn't feel like this with the same combination without thiamine.
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@engineer said in Too high systolic blood pressure?:
to get metabolized?
What does that actually mean. Where does it go and how does it get there.
@engineer said in Too high systolic blood pressure?:
Note that I didn't feel like this with the same combination without thiamine.
You could probably cap the excipient alone for equivalent weight, consume it it in the same way with all other conditions constant, and experience the same outcome.
I'm not suggesting 'active ingredients' don't do anything. Only that they're not acting in (unconcentrated) isolation. And they're travelling first. The pressure is relative to what. Which is also relative to what.
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Update time:
I did BP again this morning and it decreased to 145/80. I then did the B complex, niacinamide, pyrucet, coffee protein shake and apple juice, but did NOT do thiamine. This time it felt nearly like all the days before with rapid metabolism but not in excess. 30 minutes after doing 70 weighted chin ups, BP came in at 135/70. Still not perfect but on the edge of what Peat recommended.
Now, there is actually one more big difference today from yesterday: the BP measuring cuff was looser. It turns out it was super tight during all the abnormally high measurements and simply loosening it to a reasonable amount gives more realistic numbers. So, maybe the high BP was simply an artifact of a bad testing procedure, but either way, I am NOT touching thiamine at the same time as all the other supplements.
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@engineer said in Too high systolic blood pressure?:
I am NOT touching thiamine
Change the kind if you saturate with B1 HCL. By some people it affect cardiac rhythm.
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@LucH It was thiamine mononitrate, which is likely similar to thiamine HCL?
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So fckn interesting guys. The last weeks i had every night shortness of breath and didnt know why. Every morning i was taking 250-500mg of thiamine, because i read so much good stuff.
4 days ago i increase the dose and in the night i called the ambulance because of chest pain and extreme airhunger.
My feeling was, it is the b1. I stopped but had still shortness of breath the days after. I hope soon that my body recover from the overdose of b1. I taked it with mag and Calcium btw.
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/please-suggest-reasons-why-b1-thiamine-does-this-to-me.21853/
Good-ey friends,
Lately I have been absolutely loving the effects of Thiamine HCL (ranging from 10-100mg) on it's own throughout the day.
However, sometimes it makes me:
-Lightheaded (Dizzy) Co2? - My breathing becomes shallow!!!
-Sleepy
-Brain-fogWhat are the possible mechanisms driving this? I want to keep using it for it's motivation/mood benefits.
I was suspecting the following:
-Low Blood sugar?
-Low Blood Pressure (Tried having heaps of salt, but this barely helped)
-Excess CO2
-???So I would like to figure out a way to mitigate these effects. Thanks!
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/why-do-i-tolerate-thiamine-hcl-poorly.51380/
Magnesium is important if you're taking big doses of thiamine.
Looks like I might need more magnesium?
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@engineer Drop everything and reassess? If it still persists it could be the testosterone, due to it's long half life
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126/73, it's the B vitamins and caffeine and pyrucet.
Should I keep using them or or lay them off? The metabolic benefits are second to none but elevating BP into hypertension territory isn't so nice.
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@engineer said in Too high systolic blood pressure?:
Should I keep using them or or lay them off?
I'd stop the whole thing for 3 days. To avoid interference with half-life molecule and a return to +/ balance.
Then I'll see the the interconnection of the molecules and the lack of.
If you stress, you lack magnesium bisglycinate.
There is interaction between B1 B2 B3 B6 + B8iotine.
No more than 20-25 B3 if niacin (histamine flush).
Here no caffeine until it's fine. wait 5 days.
Need carbs (glucose & fructose with fiber) when taking caffeine again.
Half life is 5-6 hours for caffeine. Too much caf interfere with adenosine and serotonin afterwards. And don't take a high dose because you've already done it before and everything was alright...
Need l-theanine if you're angry / disturbed / in bad temper ... + a relax technique (breath) for 3'. -
@engineer Drop everything
