Andro vs DHT? (+ My andro experience)

hawk1

I've been meaning to try a DHT gel pending I can find a source here in the U.S. - the goal is to temporarily upregulate 5-ar and increase LH/FSH without suppressing natural production.

Barring my overtraining and sometimes poor sleep hygiene, I'm healthy and have no suspicion of poor hormonal health.

Though, a post by BerbarianWizard claiming that "DHT gives more drive and cosmetics." tempts me to try it out.

My problem is that I've heard that Andro is a "mirror image of DHT" and can even be converted into DHT. I have like 2-3 bottles of Andro sitting around that I use ~2-4x/week in the morning. So, I'm wondering if I would even get a novel effect from DHT - any thoughts on this? Does andro also upregulate 5-ar and increase LH/FSH to a similar degree that DHT does?

As for my experience, I have taken Androsterone in the 2mg-25mg range on and off for the last 2.5 years, here are all effects I have experienced

The obvious pheromone effect
Most women are noticeably more receptive to me in any context in the 24-72 hours of administering androsterone in my experience. Ranging from being more kind, friendly, conversational, to just being straight up touchy and flirty.
One other thing I will add is emphasis on most. For some reason, I've had pretty negative social interactions with women I've previously had positive interactions with when not taking androsterone. I have no explanation for this, could just be one offs - unsure.
When I say pretty negative, I mean like a dry conversation and a flat tone - "unhappy to see me" type vibes lol.
Accelerated facial hair growth
Waking the next day shows more facial hair growth then when I'm not taking andro
Deeper voice
Eggplant emoji
Calmer, less anxious, prosocial effect
Brittle bones
I only experienced this when I took andro in the 15+mg range and sustained it for a few days in a row - never again

That's all I can recall from the top of my head - as a side note, these days I take andro alongside Pansterone, but I'll run out of that soon so it will be just Andro eventually until I decide to restock.

alfredoolivas

@hawk1 Alpha Gels is formulating it

maplesyrupbro

I think keto DHT has more of a stabilizing effect on personality/mood compared to andro.

wester130

@hawk1 would this work?

https://www.predatornutrition.com/prohormones/alpha-gainz/1-andro-td.html

also 5ar labs are releasing a new DHT gel

Cicero

@hawk1 How would you know if your bones were brittle? (And how could their composition change so quickly?)

Cicero

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hawk1

@Cicero Not sure if brittle is the technically accurate term to use, but I've seen others describe it as such when talking about having low E symptoms from Andro and AI's.

My symptoms were cracking and aching joints, which is in line with what (some) others experience when having low E for a sustained amount of time (surprisingly, from all the accounts I've read of people taking AI's, aching joints is not commonly cited as a side effect). I'm positive my excessive dosing of andro caused this because I was on nothing else at the time, and taking 1 week off andro reversed the symptoms.

As I understand it, Estrogen is a regulator of bone stability.

I was still active at the time and suffered no injuries while having these symptoms, so again, brittle may not be the most accurate way to describe this - but the aching feeling was certainly uncomfortable.

Cicero

@hawk1 Ah, I get it now.

engineer

As a counterpoint, I think I've crashed my estrogen with both androsterone and 11kDHT in the past but never noticed anything with my joints because I was taking boron at the same time.