Does any of this shit matter?
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So hear me out,
Everyday you follow peat principles incredibly strictly- you put deep time and effort to avoid pufa, eat good fruit, have an adequate calcium to phosphate ratio, all that stuff.
Anyway imagine a fucking apocalypse broke out....
You think you would suddenly have the luxury to eat peaty?
I'm not looking for an analytical answer "Oh I could because I bought a ton of oat bran and powdered milk yada ya"
No bro you would be fucking eating whatever you can just to survive.
You think Magellan when he circumnavigated the whole world was eating peaty?
Fuck no!
Life is lived in a catabolic state, There for what good is it to eat peaty and sit around all day on your computer? You are achieving none!
When my gut is most irritated I am most prone to vice but I am also most drawn to my passions! For only then can I put such a deep effort into a sport or a piece of paper! Diamonds are made under pressure are they not? I thought life was easy! No surely I was wrong because stress has always caught up to me! No food will save me, only my soul! -
No thank you.
stress has always caught up to me
Same but it could have been and could be again, worse.
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@gg12 big question here is, why does anything matter? Then you're getting into deeper things like the meaning of life which is extensively covered elsewhere. Little about Peating makes it any different than anything else that might matter other than that it comes upstream of everything else. So if you eschew that, then you are missing out on gains in everything else, meanwhile your environment hasn't collapsed yet. And when the apocalypse does come, you're going to have bigger problems meanwhile your body will adapt, just in a survival stress state. It doesn't make any sense to prepare for an unknown tail risk like an apocalypse if there is no way to mitigate it.
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66 CE — the end is nigh
500 CE — the end is nigh
1000 CE — the end is nigh
1033 CE — the end is nigh
1284 CE — the end is nigh
1524 CE — the end is nigh
1666 CE — the end is nigh
1844 CE — the end is nigh
1914 CE — the end is nigh
1975 CE — the end is nigh
1988 CE — the end is nigh
2000 CE — the end is nigh
2012 CE — the end is nigh
2026 CE — the end is nigh -
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@sunsunsun be careful - it appears as though "CE" is mainly used by those who would take DHT inhibitors, a bad sign.
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I have thought about this question myself; but in a different context.
With a good metabolism and health, you’re looking for metabolic adaptability and metabolic flexibility.
While applying the principles that Peat speaks of-through the years- I can very much see the difference between myself versus my husband, who is actually younger than me.
My energy.
My cognition.
My aesthetics.
And objectively my lab work have truly reaped the benefits of tweaking Peats teachings to suit my strengths and weaknesses- metabolically and digestively. -
@Peatful you are peating and ur husband isnt?
️️️️️️does he see you making a meal and go “just needs a lil’ smth” and pours vegetable oil on his portion?the emoticon isnt posting accurately to convey my intended feeling about this situation
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Correct
and I have two teenage girls now and none of them are on my dietary choices either.All of them have seen my health skyrocket; but people have to be ready and have to want true health.
The indoctrination is so deep.And I’m not super strict. I am not super restrictive at all.
I still go out to restaurants and we still order in pizza as an example.
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@Peatful same here
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OP has a great point. I myself have recently moved into a cave and spend all day foraging for sustenance in order to make it to tomorrow. Why thrive when you can simply endure?
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@gg12 it’s a process. Health is. Don’t look at static outcomes. Try looking imagining the whole thing. A life of good energy spent helping others. If you’re just thinking about yourself something’s probably very off.
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maybe you're right. peat spoke of idealistic scenarios for societies
but God knows things like the american revolution were necessary but not ideal for stress. Most of civilization's most significant events were probably really stressful but regardless, humans endure. Prior humans also probably had a lower baseline of stress, depending on their background.
I think Peat believed that by fixing our own health, we could pursue things greater than ourselves, push for a collective effort to make change to our civilization and its evil agencies, thus creating a quasi-renaissance era.
Obviously it sounds nice and pretty out loud but to do such a thing would be one of the most difficult culture shifts of our generation. I think even he knew that. If he believed he could incite such change i think he would have been an MLK, Napoleon, etc. type revolutionary. But he wasn't.
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Is there any evidence that diet can prolong life? I'm sure many of us were disappointed that Dr. Peat didn't live longer than he did. He lived a decent age. But what I think really counts the most, that we have a lot of influence over, is health span.
I think the reason we eat well, as much as we think we can do, and exercise and lift weights and work out and have sex and all that stuff, is because we want to have a pleasant life for as long as possible.
Then, when it's time to leave, we just slip into death when we're sleeping instead of ending up for 5 or 10 years with dementia and heart problems in and out of doctor's offices, a total drug-addled mess.
That said, I do believe we can live to at least 100. I think Dr. Peat was done in by his stubbornness about Western medicine.
I think he could have lived a lot longer if he had gotten over the COVID or whatever it is that he got. But my point is that it's really about the quality of our life more than anything else.
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@hcwilliams a revolution is a circle
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@Ecstatic_Hamster Exactly, and on this same point, Ray used to speak about the healthier you become the more you seemed to be able to do in less time. Or that your perception of time as a whole slows down.
Speak to your elder peers and many will tell you that they're life went by in a flash. Good health, I think, is getting the most novelty and fulfillment out of the limited time you have.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster ive seen some pretty damning evidence in animals and humans that diet + environment can prolong life. if one were to only start caring about their health say, in their late 20s, much less late 40s, i do think they could add a few years. And like you said, make them much much much more comfortable.
people live in the andes mountains in good health up until their 90s without even trying.
i truly think if we set up a perfect environment for our next generation, at elevation, with no exposure to toxins pufas or irritants i think we could get them to 140-150 years old
such is a pipe dream though especially with the current state of the world
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literally just stumbled upon this as i wrote that ^^
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8 days agoSo hear me out,
Everyday you follow peat principles incredibly strictly- you put deep time and effort to avoid pufa, eat good fruit, have an adequate calcium to phosphate ratio, all that stuff.
Anyway imagine a fucking apocalypse broke out....
You think you would suddenly have the luxury to eat peaty?
I'm not looking for an analytical answer "Oh I could because I bought a ton of oat bran and powdered milk yada ya"
No bro you would be fucking eating whatever you can just to survive.
You think Magellan when he circumnavigated the whole world was eating peaty?
Fuck no!
Life is lived in a catabolic state, There for what good is it to eat peaty and sit around all day on your computer? You are achieving none!
When my gut is most irritated I am most prone to vice but I am also most drawn to my passions! For only then can I put such a deep effort into a sport or a piece of paper! Diamonds are made under pressure are they not? I thought life was easy! No surely I was wrong because stress has always caught up to me! No food will save me, only my soul!Nutrition matters but some people online turn it into a religion and forget humans survived all kinds of insane conditions long before perfect diets existed. Stress, purpose, movement, relationships and mindset clearly matter too, not just whether your calcium ratio was ideal that day.
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That said, I do believe we can live to at least 100. I think Dr. Peat was done in by his stubbornness about Western medicine.
Weird thing to say. Western Medicine will use dangerous and deadly "therapies" at the drop of a hat. From Chemo and Radiation to Ventilators during "Covid" (which had a higher lethality rate than Suicide by Firearm), to dangerous drugs like SSRIs, Finasteride, Statins and such. No doubt it was Dr. Peat's stubbornness about Western Medicine that enabled him to exceed the average US life expectancy by over a decade, and outliving the average lifespan of all the "Blue Zones" for males as well. My guess is that avoiding doctors and Western Medicine probably added at least 20 years to his life.
Plus, it's not like he was opposed to therapies used by Western Medicine, so long as there was good evidence to back it up. He frequently talked about the benefits of things like cyproheptadine, antibiotics, acetazolamide, hyperbaric chambers, and other things.
The other thing is that Dr. Peat often talked about things that extended both lifespan and health span that he didn't do himself. He talked about the benefit of high altitude on longevity, and yet lived at sea level for at least the last decade of his life. He talked about the dangers of iron, and the longevity benefits of blood donation and iron reduction, yet didn't donate blood himself. And lastly, he frequently mentioned the importance of protein, but experimented with a very low protein diet himself in the last year of his life, which probably lowered his own life and health span.
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