Is anyone still doing protein restriction?
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One day, I still want to try a protein-restricted regimen--but supplemented with BCAAs (and tyrosine?)--as part of a training routine, to see if it's possible to maintain the positive effects on body fat alongside the muscle benefits of BCAAs(for muscle mTOR).
Have you tried a PR diet? I think you'd be surprised on how little difference there is in terms of progression.
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Yeah. Both PR as well as the restriction of individual amino acids (which has its own limitations due to processing I know).
It makes a big difference for me, though that’s likely just a personal trait. Even during calorie restriction, my brain suffers significantly before I experience any drop in physical performance or anabolism in response to training so the problem is my muscle stealing resources
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I'm pretty sure that several years of low protein (30-50g ish) caused the intense mental health problems I have now. I obsessively over-analyze and feel intense guilt and turmoil over countless things including incredibly minor things like thinking that a Twitter user is dumb or remembering social media arguments from years ago. Your brain uses dopamine to move on from negative thought cycles, and you need properly functioning methylation for dopamine to work properly. Something like 40-50% of methylation goes towards creatine synthesis and your body keeps large creatine stores. So my hypothesis is that once you deplete creatine your body prioritizes methylating it and other things like dopamine methylation suffer. If you aren't eating vertebrate muscle meat (so the Peaty favorites dairy and shellfish don't count) you aren't getting exogenous creatine and need to make it yourself via methylation which requires a long list of nutrients including methionine, B vitamins, folate, choline, betaine etc. Notably the amino acid methionine is the basis of all methylation which makes me seriously question the methionine restriction meme.
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@VehmicJuryman said in Is anyone still doing protein restriction?:
Something like 40-50% of methylation goes towards creatine synthesis and your body keeps large creatine stores.
I supplement creatine so I guess that's covered.
I'm pretty sure that several years of low protein (30-50g ish) caused the intense mental health problems I have now.
Were you fruitarian or something? I have a hard time grasping how someone ends up eating 30g of protein a day if not purposely restricting it.
Wouldn't returning to a higher protein diet fix your issues if it was truly because of the lack of methylation?
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@autistas123 cassava. tapioca. With a combination of lower protein starches. It’s very possible, whilst reaching an adequate amount of calories.
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autistas123 said:
I have a hard time grasping how someone ends up eating 30g of protein a day if not purposely restricting it.
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cassava. tapioca. With a combination of lower protein starches. It’s very possible, whilst reaching an adequate amount of calories.
No one intuitively eats topioca lol.
I guess it's on me for not being clear, but the original idea behind the post was not about intentional protein restriction. It was more so to do with intuitively following your own dietary preferences, which in my case tend to be heavily carbohydrate forward. Basically, I end up "restricting" both fat and protein just by eating to my desires.
There is an individual aspect to this macro preference, since some people instinctively prefer to eat higher protein diets. This is partly mediated by the different SNP rs838133 alleles.
I don't believe that people should purposely be restricting protein and feeling miserable if that's the way their body is wired. But if the lower protein comes naturally, why force it? Especially since it comes with some benefits.
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@autistas123 brother cassava provides roughly 1–2% of the world’s dietary calories.
- Africa: about 10% of calories on average.
- Democratic Republic of Congo: historically over 50%.
- Angola, Republic of Congo, Mozambique: roughly 30–35%.
- Paraguay: around 14%.
(AI)
TBH most use this way of eating to binge on sugar and then, overload on salty protein at night, and then wonder why they don’t get results. That’s why no one does this anymore. Apart from frutarians, which has a spiritual aspect to it I feel.
But I get your point. Though my cravings for food have never led me to good health.
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@alfredoolivas
Just because they eat a lot of cassava does not necessarily mean that they eat low protein diets. I did, however, underestimate it's consumption. The part of Europe that i live in, it's not common at all, don't think I've ever even seen one.But I get your point. Though my cravings for food have never led me to good health.
The happiest and calmest I've ever been was before knowing anything about nutrition and eating whatever I wanted (happened to be slop).
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and where are the high sugar low starch citrus fruits to be seen lol
and who is living off of entirely those when they come in season? Not even the farmers. -
@autistas123 I didn’t, not at all. Everything progressed as it normally would for me during that time.
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@evan.hinkle
That was my experience as well. It feels so wrong, because when you look at the mainstream advice you would think that you'd disintegrate on such an intake.
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