@alfredoolivas said in Pro Metabolic Substances Tier List:

Haidut was ahead of the time, he made these posts nearly 10 years ago, long before anyone was talking about it.

Indeed

@alfredoolivas said in Pro Metabolic Substances Tier List:

The issue is that it is hard to get DHT nowadays, China has had a major crackdown on steroids, and all steroids are more scarce. DHT has basically disappeared and but PPL customer service said they plan to restock it.

There will always be labs in China and Hong Kong to synthesize drugs, banning testosterone raw materials is not real it’s like banning bitcoin

@sushi_is_cringe im sure dht is suppressive at supraphysiological doses that's why I plan to continue supplementing the upstream hormones rather then continuing to use test esters

@sushi_is_cringe i inject it,

i don't believe dht is suppressive at 25mgs because higher estrogen levels cause the hypothalamus to reduce the secretion of GnRh, which in turn means suppressed LH and FSH production from the pituitary. so before the exogenous test (or aromatizable androgen) even has a chance to cause suppression through androgen receptor mediated feedback, you are already suppressed from the aromatization.

@sushi_is_cringe currently taking 25mgs every day, what does roa mean?

https://x.com/BowTiedUM/status/1894894131886919965

i tried DHT enanthate solo for a week and felt good with no signs of suppression and then added test prop in and it made the experience worse probably due to low pregnenolone production.

@alfredoolivas Interesting, I saw Ben Westgate on twitter say that testosterone over 1000mgs per week is non suppressive because the aromatase enzyme caps out at 600mgs per week so the excess Testosterone and DHT acts as AI to bring back LH and FSH signaling the same way pregnenolone does at high doses whilst shutdown

@alfredoolivas what about shortening your life? RBC production? do you donate blood? supplement iron? at that point why just not take the harmless precursors with progesterone and thyroid as an AI?

@alfredoolivas still though, 2 grams? Speaking of PUFA depletion I've noticed since starting DHT I have required less thyroid for symptom relief

@alfredoolivas aromatizable androgen esters are poison im ngl, i feel considerably better on pregnenolone, dhea and progesterone compared to test E and P at 6-7mgs per day with DHT Enanthate, so i have no idea how you tolerate 2 grams per week

@alfredoolivas said in Pro Metabolic Substances Tier List:

But maybe I should buy heavy metal laden DNP...

worrying about heavy metals in 200mgs of DNP when you claim to have taken 2100mgs per week of testosterone for 9 months is kind of hilarious

@Crypt-Keeper purple panda labs if you want raws
or potentially this
https://healthnatura.com/estrogen-oil-1-oz/