Posts made by T-3

@moonpiemantooth
I have used it orally, leaving it to absorb (buccally) for 30 to 120 seconds. I did this every day 10 to 20 drops and thought the very modest mg dosing and ratios Georgi went with achieved some noticeable pro-metabolic effects (warming, good for mental clarity/cognitive capacity, etc). I did this every day for several three-month stints and then more occasionally over the last 6 years (has this product really been around that long, maybe since 2016 when I began using it intensively??? [if I recall correctly, although not sure].

Then Georgi changed the solvent and the taste changed dramatically for the worse. I dislike using it now because of the taste and smell. I think it probably still has subtle but noticeable positive effects for me when I use it orally (maybe a few days each month when diet and other supplements are not achieving my b-vitamin targets).

Others reported dramatic effects with transdermal applied to the chest/abdomen/etc. I tried this a number of times and never noticed any effect and always returned to taking energin orally. Note: I have been on thyroid (highly variable dosing) since 2015. You’ll read on RPF many wise commentators suggesting that b-vitamin supplementation is needed or helpful when attempting other pro-metabolic interventions aimed at increasing one’s basal metabolic rate. I think Energin is a good supplement for that. I wish Georgi would offer a version with the original solvent to get rid of the garlicy taste in the current formulation.

Does anyone know which ingredient in the current formulation explains the garlicy taste that’s so different from Energin’s previous formulation?

I support Amazoniac's criticism of Hatch's (or anyone's) exaggerated claims, which, as Amazonic pointed out, reveals Hatch's less-than-competent knowledge about underlying mechanisms regarding the multiple ways in which glucose oxidation and cellular respiration may become deranged. The writers I would trust the most would emulate Ray, acknowledging gaps in his/our knowledge about multiple mechanisms relevant to bioenergetics, etc. I also support S.Holmes's interest in self experimentation and openness to learning from writers whose style isn't necessarily our most preferred (emulating Ray). I see no conflict between these two positions of (i) holding Hatch and others to high critical standards while (ii) being open to benefiting from advice they have given that might work for some of us (depending, of course, on context) even though Hatch’s understanding of cellular respiration is obviously incomplete. Even those like S.Holmes who say they don’t care about understanding the underlying mechanism correctly will benefit from much higher-quality insights/coaching/advice generated from those of us who are interested. It’s reasonable to learn empirically (by induction or, in Hatch’s case, even by incorrectly understood theory) that something “works” without understanding the mechanism explaining why the advice has worked. My main point is that we are joint stakeholders (disliking Blackrock’s use of the word): (i) those who want to understand mechanisms, critiquing and vetting Hatch and others and (ii) those who just want to know where to find high-quality advice or even speculative hypotheses that could prompt useful self experimentation. The vetting and critiques by the Amnizoniacs of the world exert adaptive pressure that should improve the performance of and our curation of advice givers. This includes all of us posting on this board, generating potentially useful speculative hypotheses for us to consider experimenting on ourselves with. I am hoping that both rigorous vetting/critiquing and clear/honest reporting from self-experimentation flourish and multiply on this board.

I'm pleased to see this purposeful Peat-inspired competition setup. I know not everyone on this board appreciates the pro-social benefits of competition, but I do. I hope you get lots of entries and we can all benefit from reading insights generated on this thread.

@LinDaiyu , Do I remember from RPF that you're New York City based or from my home state of Iowa? Good to see Iowa get a mention and, like yerrag, was keen to learn more about the tech/devices you listed as rewards!