Does anyone else hate raw primal diet cultists?
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@fiester forgot to mention, he wants to get trichinosis. He wants parasites because he thinks they will help him detox.
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@Sugar I did primal strict for 3 and half years. Was deep into the cult and made friends on the forum.
I had a couple friends I messaged with for years who had been on the diet for over 7 years and were bed ridden with “detox”. One guy in particular had consulted with Aajonus and Aaj told him after a year on the diet he’ll start detoxing and it will be hell for a couple years.
Sure enough he started getting crazy debilitating symptoms that had him home bound for many years. Severe anxiety and racing heart, high adrenaline and palps. Nerves on fire itchy skin. He had sores that would ooze from his chest and swore it was detox.
I was supportive of him and really thought he was making serious detox progress. But over the years he wasnt getting better. He spilled a lot of beans about Aajonus and how he probably lied even more than we thought. Like his family never thought he had cancer, or little white lies like he’s always had bright blue eyes although he’d say they were brown and green and detox made them bright blue.
When my friend broke and started eating a cooked food with carbs, salt, and water to thirst he literally turned around within weeks and was back in the gym going hard. I quit a long with him and felt like my life was back again. I NEVER had energy on the diet. Was so dry mouth and thirsty, bad circulation, got cold easy, and got very puffy.
Primal diet is the perfect outlet for OCD and health anxiety. And they’re in for a rude awakening eventually. But it may take something serious to happen before they snap out of it
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@Sugar I didn’t get super sick eating raw meat, I ate many pounds of raw pork and chicken and even high meat over the years. I did get the runs often but I did before that diet too. But who knows probably harbored some crazy toxic microbiome at the time. I still have some digestive issues and sensitivities eating a varied Peat inspired diet and penicillin vk seems to help
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@BroJonas Damn, thanks for sharing that information. Most people within the primal diet would say they didn't do the diet correctly but it's obvious that you shouldn't be having debilitating detox all of the time. Glad you left the cult too.
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@Sugar said in Does anyone else hate raw primal diet cultists?:
A good example of a strict primal dieter is Scott Primal on YouTube For a few years he lived in his car as a doordash driver in order to pay for the diet. He believed the diet was more important than anything else so he would prioritize it and spend $75-100 a day on food. Like other primal dieters, Scott believed that the diet would make him super human and would only have to sleep for 3 hours a day, andafter he finished detoxing and was on the diet for a long enough time, he'd be able to have multiple businesses, multiple girlfriends, the whole nine yards. Scott spent a lot of time begging for money and nagging people for not following the diet correctly, all while chewing raw marijuana which presumably destroyed his teeth, which he writes off as detox.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA. Some people just live meaningless lives. Seriously how could I ever get in a situation like this???? i cant see any possibilities....
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@Kilgore It's honestly probably just societal dysfunction + obsession with detoxification, worrying about every chemical/toxin we've been exposed to, that our body isn't able to handle it, and holds on to the toxins for who knows how long. To me it's not that eating raw/rare beef, raw eggs, raw milk, raw cheese, raw butter is bullshit, it's definitely not, it's the nitty gritty claims that Aajonus, the creator of the diet makes.
I think there's even confusion/disagreement amongst people here about detoxification and toxins. Specifically how long they're stored for and what you can do to detox from them.
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@Sugar Every time people discover something good they push it too far and make it retarded. These people are just like vegan and keto cultists.
raw/rare beef, raw eggs
not good
raw milk, raw cheese, raw butter
great
obsession with detoxification
I have started to notice this here too. Suggesting that its impossible to lose weight or put on muscle without 100% proper thyroid function etc.. Again people are taking it too far.
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@Sugar Right. I followed all the minutiae’s of the diet for years. Avoided pre frozen meat, spent thousands on raw milk id pick up from an alley, thousands on Amos millers raw cheese and butter. I ate a whole raw thyroid one time. It tasted like clam chowder. Felt euphoric lol.
All the little block of cheese before a meal. Milk and cream in separate meal. Green juices with raw eggs and cream daily. Little to no water. (Virtually impossible)
Those who were even more regimented than me got more sick with indigestion. Friend I mentioned showed signs of liver disease with constant pale stools towards the end. He was the most hardcore strict primal dieter I knew following exactly what Aaj personally prescribed.
During his personal consult in a hotel he noticed Aaj left a floating worm in the toilet behind him lol. And primal dieters think that’s a good think lol. He also lied straight to his brothers face saying he once had brown eyes like him that eventually turned baby blue
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@BroJonas so aajonus was a fraud?
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@Sugar I think the man was very sure of himself. And he would lie for the sake of promoting what he thought was the truth. But the guy didn’t have a good grasp of physiology or biochemistry. And it sucks that his followers being so involved in health get put in a box with his paradigm when there’s soooo much more to learn
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@Sugar 100% though i think there's a possibility that he started it for shits and giggles and made stuffs up along the way.
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@fruitymilk I think he had theories and made up incredible stories to get people to listen to his theories
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@BroJonas Its a horrible place to be stuck in. I used to do that diet. The thing is that if you get bad symptoms, they will say its detox or youre not doing it well enough. If you feel better when you eat cooked food, then its cause you stopped the detox from happening. Getting energy from certain things like coffee or cooked food is attributed to "stress hormones". I had 3 kidney stones during the time i subscribed to that paradigm at 19 years old.
One of the The only good thing I can say about that diet is how good of a calcium intake you get. If you're following the advice about raw cheese and milk consumption, you can easily be getting 4-5g per day.
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@Kilgore You dont realize that its the logical conclusion of some of these paradigms. A lot of carnivores or keto people will harp on all day about "nature" "evolution" and "unrefined foods". Then theres the whole "you cant trust anyone in the government" thing that makes you really susceptible to this. Well if you really think about that hard enough you become very suseptible to ideas like this. And some people have a ton of discipline to the point they can supress cravings (like I did when I got kidney stones because I believed water was going to dissolve my nutrients) and other things so long as the paradigm in their mind is telling them that this is the logical thing to do.
That's not to say that the people, like myself, who get wrapped up in this arent responsible in many ways. The whole paradigm is the by product of a whole cocktail of particular vices, like slander, credulity, food obssesion, dishonoring parents, as well as a disturbed state of health (although those two things feed eachother).
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Vegans and carnivores become the same way. It's what happens if you don't balance yourself out with normal people.
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Almost certainly. I wouldn't be surprised, at the same time, if there were people who improved doing raw primal, before filtering out into more effective and normal diets; this is a hazardous mix.
The raw primal diet is a diet of atavism. This is certain from the perspective of nutritional science, history, and anthropology. Raw Primals rebut by saying cooked food is an addiction but this is a paper-thin defense.
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@JulofEnoch Yeah its utterly retarded to say that a seared steak and scrambled eggs cooked in butter is an addiction and you're essentially a drug addict for eating them. Watch Scott Primal on youtube if you want to see their logic.
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@dan-saintdominic
Omg I’m sorry u went through that. Somehow I made it out without any obvious issues. I did develop gyno during that diet. But I was also recovering from severe malnourishment and anorexia. The steady supply of protein helped me put on some good muscle but it took way too long. A peaty diet would have gotten me there in half a year. I was so tired on primal I quit skateboarding and even weightlifting stalled and I would take half a year off out of necessity.
I remember a guy from the forum said he’s been on the diet like 10 years and all his toe nails have fallen off and everyone was trying to pick apart his diet what he was doing wrong but no seemed like he did all the juices, cheese trains, milkshakes, cheese with honey for mineral etc all was by the book.
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@Sugar i believe he genuinely wanted to help but it's clear that he made stuffs up and was talking out of his ass just to support his hypothesis and to counter legitimate arguments against his diet like bacteria and parasites to the point where he justified and even recommended eating cow shit.
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@BroJonas Man thats crazy. The thing that sucks is that when I was doing it people had no idea that people had done the diet before and got really messed up. All I'd see is how Aajonus supposedly cured 97% of people with cancer and all these crazy anecdotes and stories that he'd talk about in his interview about his iridology, how he sleeps 3-4 hours a night and has energy, etc. Some of those people really need to hear about all the people that got screwed up on it.
