How to cope with not having optimal development
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I'm peating now, but i'll never be how I was going to be if I peated since I was born. Maybe it's easy to cope if you're average, but I look like a 15 year old at 21, it's a constant reminder that I'm permanently fucked from hormonal problems during puberty.
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@Cerbrosyn I assume you're male? If the secondary male characteristics are something you wish to develop more then you should probably get on DHT. Probably a lot, like 100mgs twice daily. You should consult a professional probably, but my laymen opinion is even high dosages aren't particularly harmful. And you'll need the high dose for it actually start effecting male characteristics. Because anecdotally, I've experimented with low-dosages of DHT for quite a while and it does nothing except positively effect my mood. I did a high dose over 100mgs one time, and felt like a furnace so I never did it again, lol.
But there's been randomized controlled trials lasting upwards of 6 months taking 250mgs daily without any substantial adverse side effects. IN FACT...the real kicker is the main thing everyone worries about with DHT therapy wasn't an issue at all in this RCT. And in reference to another study of 37 men (not a RCT though) it actually improved prostrate status. https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/87/4/1467/2374929
"In our study serum PSA concentrations did not increase during DHT treatment, and prostate size remained unchanged. Nevertheless, it is recommended that men using androgen replacement therapy should be carefully screened and followed up periodically."
"The results of a 1.8-yr survey of 37 men, aged 55–70 yr, treated with daily percutaneous DHT suggested that high serum levels of DHT effectively improved andropause symptoms while slightly, but significantly, REDUCING prostate size."
Again, I'd like to reiterate, even though DHT seems to be a relatively safe intervention course, you should definitely be under the consult of a professional of some sort. I think your major issues are avoided when opting for non-aromatizable androgens like DHT, but you could still develop issues like a high hematocrit, and you'd never realize it unless you're getting tests done. But DHT would be your best bet for correcting adverse development during puberty.
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@Cerbrosyn
but i'll never be how I was going to be if I peated since I was born.
Welcome to the real world, stop wasting glucose thinking about things you can't change. You've made an effort to learn and improve through sciences once thought fringe but are now becoming cutting-edge, why would you piss in the face of this with beta self-talk?
I look like a 15 year old at 21, it's a constant reminder that I'm permanently fucked from hormonal problems during puberty.
The way you talk about yourself and your time with bioenergetics sounds like you are looking for a reason to continue sticking to your victimhood- "Peating won't work for me
I look like a kid I can never change". It sounds like YOU are the biggest obstacle in your life, not whatever "hormonal problems" you had during puberty.If you're peating, then you don't need to cope, you need to perceive, think, and act.
For the record, I'm no paragon of prenatal perfection:
My mom was soaked in PUFA and carried me during the most stressful and undernourished time in her life. My father was a PUFA-soaked obese diabetic with heart disease and a cancerous metabolism, years before I was even conceived. I was born prematurely by over a month. I was always one of the smallest guys in school, I was never an impressive athlete though being born prematurely probably saved some part of my brain for academics.
I had an unremarkable puberty with little growth. I constantly looked at the pictures of my young father and wished I had the strong features that he had, I am nearly a foot shorter than he was. I left the learned helplessness mindset during college, starting working, learning, allowing myself time to build up the nutrition and lifestyle necessary to be healthy. My face and body changed and grew a lot during the last year of college and into my adult life(not to sound like I'm an old man, I'm not much older than you are).
You'll be fine
Greift nur hinein ins volle Menschenleben! Ein jeder lebt's, nicht vielen ist's bekannt, und wo ihr's packt, da ist's interessant.
Ray Peat first-ever interview(July 1987 on UofO Student Radio)
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@Mulloch94 @Cerbrosyn
Mulloch's suggestions here are good, if you want to focus on sexual development and puberty. However, I think you should change your mindset before you put hormones into your body.
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@JulofEnoch This is so real. I wonder what the 'switch' is that gets you out of that learned helplessness.
@Cerbrosyn If by 15 years old at 21 you mean youthful then I'd count that as a blessing. You couldn't have peated since you were born, all you can do now is try your best and don't repeat mistakes of your parents for your own children and grandchildren.
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In my experience, getting into and out of learned helplessness involves the people around you. PUFA saturation may lower thyroid and raise serotonin, etc, and these all have their effects on the mind, but it is the people around us who can pull the final lever into helplessness.
When we say learned helplessness, we must remember that "learned" is the experience of the student; what of the teacher? We learn helplessness by interacting with people and places that we neither understand nor influence and we receive feedback thereto. Likewise, learned hopefulness can be taught.
Another thing is that most people run through their lives without paying attention to the things around them, and if they do, they think only about their perspective and their influence on the things, rarely the things' influence on them. This is why so many people live their entire lives sleeping next to a moldy vent, only checking it after they got wise to the situation. Something you spend 25-33% of your life next to, in your most vulnerable state, only now when some blog post tells you do you think about how it might be effecting you. This applies more to those smart enough to know better, not the deprived and ignorant. A class on Heidegger opened much of this up for me.
Once you start to take account of how things communicate to you and influence you, then you move beyond an organ system with impulses and reaction, to becoming an organism with thoughts and action- "I am myself plus my circumstances" by Jose Ortega y Gasset.
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@Cerbrosyn 21 is still really young. By 30 your face and body can mature a lot. I know it has for me.
During my crucial development years I had a severe eating disorder. And my way to recover from it was doing low carb for years. My rib cage growth seems stunted but I’ve developed good muscle around it now. I’m almost 30 and my beard is still filling in and my face is still maturing.
Id recommend bodybuilding to help develop your androgens and express them in the physical
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@PissBoy I think he means his skeletal frame is under-developed.
It’s good to have youthful skin and hair, but its not that great to have a skinny frame.Yes, 21 is young. I started in my mid-late 20s and reaping results. Gained some muscle, my facial hair got thicker.
If you start at 21, you will see improvements by the time you are 25.
First thing is you gotta start lifting weights if you haven’t already. Gaining muscle will give you the best return on investment.Get on high-dose K2 also.
Also remember that at your age, most girls are more attracted to older guys, in the 25-33 range. By the time you will be 25+, you will have more appeal to girls in their early 20s, that’s just the way it is.
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I grew my cheekbones brow and jaw at 21 w Peating lifting and sunlight
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@Mulloch94 Thanks for the info. It'll be hard to come by DHT in my country but I'll try, what do you think of progesterone for masculinization?
@JulofEnoch Thank you for the words of encouragement, I should be doing better since my childhood years were pretty decent, my mind is definitely the problem.
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@Cerbrosyn said in How to cope with not having optimal development:
Thanks for the info. It'll be hard to come by DHT in my country but I'll try, what do you think of progesterone for masculinization?
Probably not the first alternative I'd resort to. P4 can be anti-androgenic, and if males want to take a larger dose of it then using some sort of androgen with it would probably be best to offset it's effects.
If you can't get DHT, then I think the best alternative would be using the Pansterone + Kuinone combination. That's Pregnenolone (P5) + Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) + Menaquinone-4 (K2). This is probably one of the best legally available androgenic stacks. Lots of males have reported beneficial effects from it.
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You should also get your thyroid checked to rule out any secondary androgen deficiencies due to hypothyroidism. If your prolactin is high, and you don't have hypothyroidism, then ruling out a pituitary tumor would be a good idea as well.
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I grew up eating PUFAs and was always hypothyroid, skinny, cold, acne, anxious etc. Then when I became an adult I started avoiding sugar, tried carnivore multiple times and always failed, have done multiple extended water fasts and have consistently done intermittent fasting, and have eaten probably an average of less than 1500 calories a day for the past decade. Despite trying multiple alternative diets like the Weston A Price diet, paleo, carnivore, autoimmune protocol (AIP), Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD), etc., I really never understood that PUFAs are the most significant cause of bad health so I was never careful in avoiding them. I also spent 7 years in one of the most stressful jobs there is, plus did some time in the military which is also absurdly stressful. I'm nearly 30 now and have literally never been in good health. I only discovered Peat ideas in the last year.
So in my opinion you are in a relatively amazing position. I've often fantasized about what my life would have been like if I had been a Peater back in 2012 when the original forum started. My life would be completely different if I had started Peating at age 21. Knowing about Peat at that age probably puts you ahead of about 99.999+% of the world population in terms of health and nutritional knowledge. Be grateful.
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@Cerbrosyn
You got this.
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Just give it some time, your biological age is low, don't try and speed up the process with excess amounts of androgens/DHT. Looking young certainly isn't a bad thing.
