New "Mission" of RPF
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Gibberish. I see another diversionary tactic, just like suggesting it is all about eugenics and global domination. One of the ways they try to discredit a group is by inserting grandiose ideas that sound ridiculous and even if there is a grain of truth would take forever to demonstrate and would exhaust the efforts of anyone trying to research it.
I'll be suspicious of some more 'concrete' thing show up later related to this, because nothing has been posted here other than innuendo, and I fail to see how there is any connection to a Business address to any entity that may have searched it. My god there must be countless numbers of searches on every health-related website there is.. Ridiculous. I have to wonder now if they're going to try to create some kind of phony 'record' to try to explain how the Ray Peat Forum shares a business address with the Wellcome Trust.
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@C-Mex
You're doing a spectacular job of discrediting yourself son.
Goodnight C-Mex.
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@ThinPicking @C-Mex
Gibberish. I see another diversionary tactic, just like suggesting it is all about eugenics and global domination.
So how is Cambridge/Wellcome Trust involved in swaying public opinion about committing suicide (to save the planet) and making 'vaccine hesitancy' disappear from social media NOT about control or eugenics??? Sheesh..... . Also, yes, it is important that one examine potential angles in such a psychological operation.
- Billy G and exwife Foundation did give lots of money to : https://www.gatescambridge.org/about/the-trust/
*** The Gates Cambridge Trust was established in October 2000 by an historic donation of US$210m from the Gates Foundation to the University of Cambridge.**
So there is a direct connection for all to see.
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Yes, this was established much earlier. What some members are proposing is something else they are trying to use to explain/dismiss the address connection and I am calling foul. If they can figure out a reason to explain it as some 'mistake' then they are suggesting that the Ray Peat Forum is not in collaboration with Wellcome after all. I know the writing is oblique, and I asked the member to elaborate and got nonsense in return from a person who has been stalking my every post. It takes a while to figure out who to ignore and I did ask for clarification. It's not disrespectful to call out an argument like I see it. It is other members who are resorting to personal attacks, not me.
Because the eugenics and world domination topics are Topic Dilution, add unnecessary complexity to the conversation, and people end up getting distracted by it or not seeing the immediate relevance to the topic. It would also provide a great talking point for Garrett Smith to start claiming that we Peaters think they're out for World Domination. That is why I try to stay on topic and not get caught up in personal conversations or broader subjects. I'm not saying they're not related, and I find them interesting, but it wasn't until this person starting aligning with the person stalking my posts and trying to argue that there is no connection of RPF to Wellcome that I really started to question.
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It would be helpful if people picked up some of the leads/ideas for research and not monitoring whether people are being respectful to somebody else's argument. I've ignored much worse and we've got a moderator.
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Here is proof that Matt Stone was the link between Garrett Smith and Grant Genereux.
“Since it was Matt Stone who introduced me to Grant Genereux's work on Vitamin A toxicity and I ran with it from there...”
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@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Here is proof that Matt Stone was the link between Garrett Smith and Grant Genereux.
“Since it was Matt Stone who introduced me to Grant Genereux's work on Vitamin A toxicity and I ran with it from there...”
180 Degree Health is another one that has done a 180 on Peat. Actually, I just did a quick Google and they have done a 360. I always thought of them as supporting Peat's work, but back in 2011 they were mocking Peat.
https://180degreehealth.com/ray-peat-starch-and-obesity/
But by 2013 they were listing Ray Peat quotes and aligning with Matt Stone (who I presumed was supportive of Peat's work as well, at the time).
https://180degreehealth.com/180forums/topic/ray-peat-quotes/
Now they're pushing the Vitamin A depletion nonsense, as the source of all chronic disease.
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Grant Genereux's blog:
They'd need somebody to promote these theories based on personal anecdotes, not someone who would put their medical or scientific reputation at risk.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Gibberish. I see another diversionary tactic, just like suggesting it is all about eugenics and global domination. One of the ways they try to discredit a group is by inserting grandiose ideas that sound ridiculous and even if there is a grain of truth would take forever to demonstrate and would exhaust the efforts of anyone trying to research it.
I'll be suspicious of some more 'concrete' thing show up later related to this, because nothing has been posted here other than innuendo, and I fail to see how there is any connection to a Business address to any entity that may have searched it. My god there must be countless numbers of searches on every health-related website there is.. Ridiculous. I have to wonder now if they're going to try to create some kind of phony 'record' to try to explain how the Ray Peat Forum shares a business address with the Wellcome Trust.
You are literally doing the exact “inject grandiose idea” thing you’re accusing others of. The address was posted years ago in a normal context and COINCIDENTALLY that exact same address is the masterminds of RPF’s downfall? And you think this is more likely/plausible than an AI agent mistakenly picking up that address in a scrape of the site? Dude, with respect, get real.
Likelihood of RPF being victim of some kind of conspiracy? Very possible. But this specific rabbit hole requires a very large degree of coincidence to make any sense. I just don’t buy it. But now the thread is irreversibly derailed and new accounts are about to start doing gematria to “prove” a conspiracy. Weird how that happens…
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The coincidences just keep racking up even if you forget that the Cambridge address was linked to RPF by an impartial third-party business reporting site. Now we're back to the old argument that it scraped user content. That would be one silly algorithm, I wonder how it decided on that one over all the other ones that might be included in the RPF, or how they get the addresses correct for so many other businesses. I don't think so. I won't be responding to any more arguments that don't make any sense.
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@saturnuscv said in New "Mission" of RPF:
But now the thread is irreversibly derailed and new accounts are about to start doing gematria to “prove” a conspiracy. Weird how that happens…
What would you prefer to talk about? What a rotten guy Charlie is?
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@C-Mex the fate of every dissident sphere is to be shunted down the path of schizophrenia, spurred on by bad actors. Happened to RPF. Happening here. I mentioned earlier in the thread that I’ve seen this happen many times.
Last thing I’ll say on the subject, but as someone who is educated in internet infrastructure, I think it’s very very possible that an AI is scraping user content and arbitrarily (or by some opaque parameter) deciding on a site’s address without any good reason.
In fairness, it’s totally possible that I’m wrong. I just really doubt it. Occam’s razor and all.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I'll be suspicious of some more 'concrete' thing show up later related to this, because nothing has been posted here other than innuendo, and I fail to see how there is any connection to a Business address to any entity that may have searched it. My god there must be countless numbers of searches on every health-related website there is.. Ridiculous. I have to wonder now if they're going to try to create some kind of phony 'record' to try to explain how the Ray Peat Forum shares a business address with the Wellcome Trust.
This paragraph is, definitionally, “pre-bunking” btw. Lol. Did you have an account on RPF?
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This looks like Genereux's first blog post. A lengthy dissertation based on anecdote and a personal experiment, with a couple of charts thrown in. No citations of references to any scholarly or scientific literature. My first thought is that it set up to mimic Peat in the sense that it shows a long history, perhaps intended to lend credibility. Unlike Peat, the work is not based in science nor does it build on the work of any predecessors and doesn't likely doesn't show any evolution of thought. Repeat the lie over and over again. I do have to question when the site went up. The first comment wasn't until 2017 but the post is dated 2014.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
This looks like Genereux's first blog post. A lengthy dissertation based on anecdote and a personal experiment, with a couple of charts thrown in. No citations of references to any scholarly or scientific literature. My first thought is that it set up to mimic Peat in the sense that it shows a long history, perhaps intended to lend credibility. Unlike Peat, the work is not based in science nor does it build on the work of any predecessors and doesn't likely doesn't show any evolution of thought. Repeat the lie over and over again. I do have to question when the site went up. The first comment wasn't until 2017 but the post is dated 2014.
I think that's been the major critique of the anti-A crowd from the start. It basically has no (or very little) scientific support. The few things that you can find is mostly hypervitaminosis toxicity, which is not what these anti-A people are really talking about because to hear them say it basically ANY level of vitamin A is hypervitaminosis, lol. I will say one thing, I find Genereux to be significantly less repulsive than Smith. Like dude is just a general guy not giving a fuck about our corner of the world. I can respect that. Garrett is the dude who's personally taken shots at Ray Peat.
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I think these people are puppets. I just had to answer my question about what his background is. Nothing traceable, just your average guy cooking up a theory that just happens to take big pharma off the hook. The question is how and why his theories even appeared on the RPF in the first place. Doesn't seem logical unless...
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@C-Mex I can see the logical connection actually. This view isn't really new at all, it's just became a trend as of late. There was a guy who ran an older blog named Matt Stone. He was into bioenergectics many many years ago and was an entry point for many people into Ray Peat's stuff. He started exploring other theories after a while and one of them was anti-A. So he served as a bridge connecting these ideas together.
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@C-Mex Actually his blog is still technically online. His 3rd to last post was about vitamin A with Smith. So it's one of the last things he ever talked about, outside of some blue zone gibberish. https://180degreehealth.com/
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I thought Matt Stone dropped off the face of the earth. He wasn't the one promoting these scientifically baseless theories on the RPF. How did they even take hold with the Ray Peat audience? After Peat's death, they were forcibly promoted. The question, in my mind, was how these supposedly science-based Peat followers suddenly became converts to this Vitamin A nonsense theory, unless they really weren't true followers seeking an understanding of Ray Peat's work to begin with. Yes, there's a connection between these people for sure, but I'm not sure it is logical. I'm more interested in the genesis of the RPF. If nothing else, the fact that Charlie has been deceptive about his identity and his online business throws a red-flag. The possible link to Wellcome and the remarkable coincidences are even more interesting. If nothing else, I'm learning a heck of a lot about social media manipulation sanctioned by some of the most prestigious universities, and it's easy to see some parallels for what we have witnessed at the RPF (and here, I might add).
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@C-Mex No, I wasn't implying Matt started the post. I was just pointing out it's logical some follower of Matt's work and Peat's work would post about vitamin A on RPF. The person who originally started that thread was a user by the name of "franko."
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I just find it remarkable that it took hold at all.
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Here's a bit more about Cambridge Behavioral Insights Team (CUBIT). A lot of the lingo is steeped in jargon particular to the profession, but words like 'intervention' and 'ethical considerations' come up, and basically it is talking about influencing public policy. I have to wonder if the RPF wasn't some sort of experimental 'intervention' used to first get to know the psychology of the group, then introduce a narrative more friendly to the goals of government or desired public policy outcome.
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Is a British Uni studying interventions in US politics? Remember that the lab partners with CISA. https://www.cisa.gov/
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Kind of like the 'crazed lone gunman' from the 60's?
@Hando-Jin said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I think Charlie is just BPD sufferer who's recent behavior should be understood as middle aged stress/crises accelerating his BPD.
Maybe you are right and he's a dark genius manipulator working for the military-pharma industrial complex.
But years ago when people were talking on other forums about how obnoxious he was, somebody talked about his father and posted and all the kooky metaphysical ideas he was into. Just completely insane stuff. I think it's simply a case of the apple not falling far from the tree. Nobody born to someone like that is coming out normal.
I think Charlie's personality could of course be separate from an effort to undermine Peat. Charlie has just got cocky now that Peat has departed and thinks he can slander him anyway he wants without the authority of Peat's own responses putting him back in his box. It's all behavior characteristic of a BPD person- sneaky, bitchy, underhanded, dishonorable, dishonest etc
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
an impartial third-party business reporting site
Amazing how you're willing to defend Zoominfo just because your entire silly conspiracy theory is hinged on it.
Why do you so unquestionably believe in it? If it had even the thinnest connection to pharma and health you would be calling them liers and claiming that they're getting paid by Bill Gates.
You're too deep in it to even maintain a facade of objectivity. And all while crying "topic dilution" you've shifted the thread from Charlie and RPF to Wellcome whatever.
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@C-Mex And you still have to answer how it is possible to scrape RPF org. address when it's redacted on ICANN? Where did Zoominfo get their address from?
If you can't answer that then your entire theory is trash. (It is.)
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@zawisza I don't know about the Zoominfo connection. But the disinformation takeover at RPF serves to keep people plugged-in to schizophrenic America First nationalist conspiracy politics. Which is the default strategy of delegitimizing opposition to the oligarchic state as well as committing the most eccentric thinkers to rabbit holes where they are funneled into different layers of criminalized hate speech. That Ray Peat was not an American nationalist is the main reason for slandering his legacy. It has the added purpose of keeping people plugged-in to the acceptable kind of patriot for their health advice rather than to an anti-establishment maverick with Marxist sympathies.
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@zawisza said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex And you still have to answer how it is possible to scrape RPF org. address when it's redacted on ICANN? Where did Zoominfo get their address from?
If you can't answer that then your entire theory is trash. (It is.)
Because most websites use a name service to protect their identify. ZoomInfo uses business records and other data for their reports.
Here's another forum similar in format to RPF, Websleuths. RPF uses Namecheap, but this one uses Identity Protect. These are identity protection services.
Here's Websleuths ICANN lookup:
Here's Websleuths Zoominfo. They get their info from business records, just read Zoominfo's website and they describe this. And please don't suggest that they found Websleuths' address by scraping user content.
Here's RPF's ICANN.
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@AkJono said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I think that YOU BOTH are on to it
I don't know about that Jono. This chap seems to have a problem with my position. And I couldn't care less at this point.
Nor for these wonky organisations and their desperate attempts to craft new bullshit.
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@C-Mex This is not at all comparable. Websleuths is owned by Websleuths LLC that is officially registered. RPF does not have any official ownership AFAIK like that.
Also it seems to me (although I haven't looked deep so I might be wrong) like they got the address wrong. There are only two LLCs in Texas with "Websleuths" in name: WEBSLEUTHS TCN LLC (active) and WEBSLEUTHS. COM, L.L.C. (inactive). Neither is registered under that address.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
They get their info from business records, just read Zoominfo's website and they describe this.
I have read their blog How ZoomInfo Gets Data: Top Privacy Misconceptions Debunked and they never mention "business records" or anything similar. What they say is "Our teams collect data that is relevant for business professionals to connect with one another."
They collect business relevant data which is NOT the same as "business records" and it does not clarify anything about what and where from they scrape. From blog I first linked, they scrape the all web (not just "business records") and, as corroborated by their blog, they scrape free-tier subscribers' emails.
So, in the end, my hypothesis that they got RPF address from user post still stands above your conspiracy theory.
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Facebook post where Matt Stone first mentions the low Vitamin A theory:
Garrett Smith’s response:
That was May 2018, but by November 2018, Garrett was suddenly the expert and recording a podcast about it:
https://www.facebook.com/180degreehealth/posts/pfbid0fR1DSG67EiUh8uvFS9i7P6ePsmxE26hu8xGB3NPFiTFY3DnRTGS4ejm2qnst3FfwlAlso if you go back to the first Facebook post, a comment was added by 180 Degree Health mentioning he was now “regularly emailing” with Grant Genereux. Not sure if that’s Matt or if Garrett was posting under 180 Degree health too.
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@C-Mex I have not said, or even implied, that the connection between RPF and Cambridge University could be a ‘mistake’, after all it was me who first brought up the psychology department. I linked the project because I believe that the RPF was approached by Cambridge. I have my suspicions as to what happened next but they are just suspicions at this stage. As for “eugenics and world domination topics are Topic Dilution” or “another diversionary tactic” – that is opinions you are entitled to. Eugenics is not a topic to toy around with. I take it seriously. It’s happening even if you deny that it is. No, I won’t stop posting about it! If anything, I think it needs its own thread.
You said, “ridiculous. I have to wonder now if they're going to try to create some kind of phony 'record' to try to explain how the Ray Peat Forum shares a business address with the Wellcome Trust.”
Ridiculous Indeed. You have no idea how ridiculous.
I don’t understand your suspicion
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I see what I see. I make connections and I decide for myself who I think is legit on this forum and who is not. It occured to me yesterday that this member-moderating that has been attempted toward me more than once (once by private message) by invoking God or decency is yet another form of intentional distraction and an attempt to silence and I will ignore all of it and carry on. I have made no personal attacks, and I reserve the right to call BS on an argument when I see it. People can contact the moderator if they see a problem with people's posts, that's what the report function is for. Good day.
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Cry harder. This ain't Twitter.
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Vote for RFK Jr if you want to see an end to the surveillance/mind control globalist state, and some accountability for dark ops on the American people like the Ray Peat Forum. Tell everyone you know.
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Democracy does not begin and end at a polling booth.
And the emperor has no clothes, that aren't written on pieces of paper in legalese.
God bless.
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van der Linden, Head of the Social Decision Making Lab at the Psychology Dept in Cambrdige is also associated with this group.
https://www.irisacademic.org/about/
I forgot to highlight this passage:
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Thank you Mr Mex. Interest has improved.
"identifying the seeds of misinformation within communities" they say.
But projection is ill-advised in the Babylonian Talmud and the New Testament. What a muddle they've gotten themselves in.
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Whenever you're ready Mr "Charlie". Bygones be bygones and all.
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Just looking at this list of publications by the Iris group ought to alarm anybody. Imagine a whole quasi-academic world network built to convince you of the 'truth' using whatever means possible. I'm never getting near another vaccine in my life. After that, take a look at the 'qualifications' of the staff.
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Folks, be sure to check your computer and phone for motion sensors and access to your microphone, camera, and location (these settings are for the Google browser). Turn everything off that looks suspicious, as they may be able to use this data for their 'research'. In addition, I'm including an advisory for turning off certain location services for mobile phones. Read up on security. I'm going to buy some liver and oysters and re-read everything Ray Peat has ever written.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I see what I see. I make connections and I decide for myself
Connections do not imply guilt. Guilt by association? Etc, etc., ... .
Mathew Crawford is freshly on a 3 hour vid with Mathew Ehret and friends... he has mapped out tons of the 'Blob'.... the web of connections between various Banking/Occult (was Theosophy now Scientology and friends)/CIA/Health Freedom Movement
etc.. .
These multitude of connections alone does not imply causation: ie-entity A is working for B.Your connection made via the Cambridge University on a mailing site is interesting, but also kind of tenuous via the avenue you arrived at this information.
"Remember, Zoominfo gets their information using a web scraper (and not from business registration documents submitted to the government). THIS IS FROM BELOW:
https://www.powerhomebiz.com/blog/2019/05/29/how-zoominfo-got-our-business-information-wrong/
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@ThinPicking
The entity in ? is shady, and shifty, and obviously hiding something by not allowing wayback machine to do its' magic.
So, you are both onto the Shady bit.
But, yes, Cmex is in hardcore Rhino mode, "my way or the high way". Too bad for him.
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@ilovethesea really hard to believe that a person can actually look like that LOL
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@AkJono said in New "Mission" of RPF:
hardcore Rhino mode
Thank you for assisting my inner world with a humorous frame. Good sir.