The Dental Care Thread

JulofEnoch

Nice thread, thanks for the references.

Everyone should read Price, not just N&PD but his other works as well. He really was such a passionate researcher- I don't think American dentistry has had a mind like his since he passed.

He has a good quote: "These activators have a role which, in some regards, might be compared to that of an ignition system of a gas engine in relation to the utilization of the fuel." Activators are vit K, A, and D.

Price noted a 4x increase in dental caries during winter and spring vs summer and fall. He attributed this to seasonal depletion of nutrients, especially Vit D which has been established since the 1930s to be heavily influential in the development of cavities.

I've never had serious dental issues but I will say that I've noticed a shift in my gums after consuming more K2. I see people all the time obsess with their teeth but pay almost no attention to their gums. The result is you get people with these nice ivory white veneers or hour-long "teeth strengthening" routines and their gums bleed every time they eat a sandwich with bread that's a little too crispy.

JulofEnoch

@Kvirion

It is almost impossible to find things near me that don't have dioxides, stearates, microcellulose extracts, etc.

I've been tempted to run some tests to see whether supplements actually have the amount of material they say they do. When you've got five different add-ins, then I question how much of your product is actual product.

Kvirion

@JulofEnoch said in The Dental Care Thread:

It is almost impossible to find things near me that don't have dioxides, stearates, microcellulose extracts, etc.

Yeah, it's hard, but I noticed that in recent years there is a positive trend of "clean label products" i.e. some novel companies are trying to minimize additives in supplements, at least in the EU.

When you've got five different add-ins, then I question how much of your product is actual product.

Good point!

Evolutionarily

For anyone who has a dental issue they are trying to fix holistically rather than the dental route, I have stumbled upon a regimen which definitely works, the bads news is I don't know which one is doing the work or if they are synergistic (likely they are but also likely just 1 or 2 of these things would have sufficed).

This was my post a month ago: https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/1492/tips-for-naturally-healing-a-dental-pocket-cavity

What I did:
-Coconut oil pulling in morning (just swish in mouth for 2-5 mins whilst im preparing breakfast)
-Xylitol gum (I found one with good ingredients; and I spit out the first big load of flavour/etc)
-Chewing cloves
-Chewing Mastic gum
-Salt water swish and gargle 3-4 times per day and after food
-In the evening black seed oil pulling (again nothing crazy; few mins of swishing it around focusing on the tooth I was having issues with).
-5mg of K2 MK4 per day
-Daily Flossing, Interdental brushes, and teeth brushing

Not only did the above regimen appear to have fixed my issue; it also cleared my tongue dramatically so it's perfectly pink in the morning now, and I would always have one or two small bits of bleeding when flossing on specific teeth, just a little bit, but I realized writing this that has 100% gone now too.

Yes the above regimen is a hassle; but it's worth noting Peat himself appears to have had many tooth issues. This regimen has avoided me (so far, knock on wood) dental work which would involve x-rays, and cutting under the gum to get to the dental pocket, and the plan now is to phase back and see how I go, hopefully identify the 80:20 of my above regimen.

wrl

@ah said in The Dental Care Thread:

some of the inactive ingredients arent great (titanium dioxide, guar gum)

Seems it also contains some phosphoric acid!
Maybe a sodium bicarbonate swish after using this product?

Kvirion

@wrl said in The Dental Care Thread:

Maybe a sodium bicarbonate swish after using this product?

Yeah, probably a good idea, but it may also wash away the good ingredients...

wrl

@Kvirion
Yup true; ok, then mix some S.bicarbonate into the mix to neutralise any free phosphoric acid.

bpbp

was reading about teeth whitening with hydrogen peroxide. any one tried it?

the MOUSE

@HyperTorless2 i like to gather spit sometimes and rinse/gargle teeth with it. thoughts this? i notice i can elicit spit response if i imagine lemon or do reverse mewing on lower gums behind bottom teeth

HyperTorless

@ah

GC Tooth Mousse
active ingredient is CPP-ACP (Recaldent), a complex formed from casein and calcium/phosphate ions in an ideal ratio to remineralise teeth

In principle it's a good idea, too bad for the additives.

@CurmudgeonApple said in The Dental Care Thread:

i would imagine that pine tar/resin based chewing gums might be quite effective. Pine tars and resins can actually prevent the ability for cells to produce abnormally e.g mast cell degranulation(gum swelling etc), so not as basic in function as a regular antifungal/bacterial, which means there is little chance that anaerobic gram negative bacteria can become resistant to it

Good idea!

On your first point I agree statistical significance can be meaningless but in that first study the effect of mastic gum on S. Mutans alone (not on protectory lactobacilli) is pretty dramatic.

@JulofEnoch said in The Dental Care Thread:

Everyone should read Price, not just N&PD but his other works as well. He really was such a passionate researcher- I don't think American dentistry has had a mind like his since he passed.

Excellent stuff, thanks for posting, I didn't know that one!

@Evolutionarily said in The Dental Care Thread:

This was my post a month ago: https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/1492/tips-for-naturally-healing-a-dental-pocket-cavity

What I did:
-Coconut oil pulling in morning (just swish in mouth for 2-5 mins whilst im preparing breakfast)
-Xylitol gum (I found one with good ingredients; and I spit out the first big load of flavour/etc)
-Chewing cloves
-Chewing Mastic gum
-Salt water swish and gargle 3-4 times per day and after food
-In the evening black seed oil pulling (again nothing crazy; few mins of swishing it around focusing on the tooth I was having issues with).
-5mg of K2 MK4 per day
-Daily Flossing, Interdental brushes, and teeth brushing

Good job!

@the-MOUSE in The Dental Care Thread:
Seems good. Invoking spit response is definitely impressive lol

As someone who brushes teeth once a day with no toothpaste and has never had teeth problems once, I would like to reiterate that if you get teeth and mouth problems it's likely a consequence of other deficiencies (vitamin C, A, K2, D, B vitamins, etc.). Resolving the symptom won't help it.
... Actually scratch that: I had my first cavity when I had harsh episodes of debilitating acid reflux past 25yo. I'm still investigating but my main theory is that the bottom of the problem seems to be a shortcoming in the methylation process (essentially some B vitamins deficiency).

Jennifer

For years, I made my own toothpaste with kaolin clay, baking soda, micro-hydroxyapatite, peppermint, clove and coconut oil, and aside from some tooth sensitivity when I had dried fruit it worked well, but I decided to trial toothpaste containing Fluidinova’s nanoXim n-HAp after watching the video below with Dr. Mark Burhenne and reading his article on the SCCS’s ruling on n-HAp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUlwb2dbUms

“From the SCCS Final Opinion on nano-Hydroxyapatite, March 2023, page 3:

The SCCS concludes the following:

In view of the above, and taking into account the scientific data provided, does the SCCS consider hydroxyapatite (nano) safe when used in oral cosmetic products according to the maximum concentrations and specifications as reported in the submission, taking into account reasonably foreseeable exposure conditions?

Based on the data provided, the SCCS considers hydroxyapatite (nano) safe when used at concentrations up to 10% in toothpaste, and up to 0.465% in mouthwash.

This safety evaluation only applies to the hydroxyapatite (nano) with the following characteristics:

– composed of rod-shaped particles of which at least 95.8% (in particle number) have an aspect ratio less than 3, and the remaining 4.2% have an aspect ratio not exceeding 4.9;

– the particles are not coated or surface modified.”

https://askthedentist.com/is-hydroxyapatite-fda-approved/

In the video below, Dr. Burhenne discusses what percentage of nano-hydroxyapatite should be in toothpaste based on the studies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA5vEug7FN4

And below is a study he posted on his website that shows that the therapeutic dose of nano-hydroxyapatite is between 1 and 3% when calculating by volume:

“This is an older study out of China which studied four different concentrations of nano-hydroxyapatite (1%, 5%, 10% and 15% by weight). The 10% and 15% demonstrated efficacy (in other words, worked well) but it’s not clear what kind of nano-Hydroxyapatite was used, including particle size and particle shape, unfortunately. The important thing to understand here is that the concentration of hydroxyapatite was calculated based on weight, not volume, like toothpaste manufacturers do. So, in reality, the therapeutic dose is between 1 and 3% if calculating by volume.”

https://askthedentist.com/hydroxyapatite-studies/

I decided to try the n-HAp toothpaste he developed first. I had to get the kids’ vanilla paste because all the other flavors were sold out, but it’s the same formula as the adults’. I don’t know if it’s because I have the palate of a toddler and it reminds me of cake batter, but I like it! This may be a minor thing, but I also like the packaging it was shipped in. It’s a cushioned envelope made entirely of paper so it’s biodegradable:

https://fygg.com/

I'm currently finishing up the last of my second tube and would buy it again. My tooth sensitivity was gone within 3 days and my teeth feel so smooth and clean even by the end of the day. It does has a tendency of splattering everywhere, however, smacking the tube on my palm before using it gets rid of air pockets so it doesn’t splatter as much. I also ordered from Amazon some micro bristle toothbrushes like the ones Dr. Burhenne recommends:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BY23V6V9/

I questioned how well the brush would work because it seemed too soft to be effective, but I love it! The bristles are feathery at the tips so they don’t cut up the gums like some brushes do, even extra soft ones, but because they're so compact, they act almost like a squeegee, leaving my teeth squeaky-clean.

I plan on trying Cocoshine toothpast next. It contains roughly the same percentage of nanoXim as the Fygg toothpaste but is $8 more, however, if the consistency is better, it might be worth it if less toothpaste is wasted creating a Jackson Pollock on the bathroom counter and mirror every time I brush:

https://cocofloss.com/products/cocoshine-whitening-toothpaste-lychee-breeze

https://help.cocofloss.com/hc/en-us/articles/18427610585883-What-percentage-of-Cocoshine-is-the-active-ingredient

After that, I plan on trying Dr. Jen and then Elims. They’re advertised as having 10% n-HAp, but I contacted the companies to find out if that’s by weight or volume and never received a response so my guess is it’s by weight and they don’t contain as much n-HAp as the Fygg and Cocoshine:

https://drjennatural.com/products/remineralizing-toothpaste-for-kids

https://elims.co/

The last company I contacted was RiseWell. I asked specifically about their PRO line because unlime their other line it contains n-HAp, and they did respond but didn't disclose if the concentration of n-HAp is by weight or volume:

https://risewell.com/collections/pro-products

I’ll leave reviews for the other brands after I’ve tried them.