The Dental Care Thread

HyperTorless

It's a little known fact that dentistry is nothing more than a giant fucking meme.[1] Weston Price understood this back in the 30s: you only need to look at what people eat to tell if their teeth, dental arches and overall health are on point.[2] The Swiss of remote villages lost in the mountains have a 0.3% incidence of caries and they barely brush their teeth, whereas nearby villages that adopted the modern diet and lifestyle had much worse dental health, with sometimes 100 times more cavities.

So, provided that you brush from time to time (and is that even really necessary?), you should not encounter a single dentist in your life. And the author of this thread knows about this: he didn’t go to the dentist for 8 whole years. He returned once just to make sure, and everything was great (except he needed a little floss).
Now, as they still need money to survive, dentists will meme you into removing your wisdom teeth, which is a new thing that simply didn’t happen before and has tons of little bad consequences[3]. However, if you have terrible dental health, you’ll probably need to watch your wisdom teeth carefully, as they can trigger infections.

In short, the secret to dental health is in your diet and nowhere else.

The diet for good dental health

Let’s start with the first dental meme: sugar.

Oh noooooo, you can’t eat sugar your teeth will rot nooooo!!!

This is what most people believe, and what many dentists believe too.
Caries are a “bacterially generated disease”.[7] Bad bacteria in your teeth will eat fermented sugar sitting in your mouth in order to develop. Much like in diabetes, it does not mean that sugar is responsible for the problem – but, much like in diabetic cell metabolism, if you have bad bacteria populating your teeth, you’ll be feeding them by eating sugar, particularly sucrose. So you have to make sure the immune system of your teeth works properly… and also to avoid constantly getting sucrose by your teeth, which implies not sipping on fruit juices all day long. The saliva has to do its work and having the sugary stuff within a meal and not between meals is supposedly a good way to prevent problems.

What’s causing bad bacteria to develop seem to be mostly 2 things: bad gut flora and nutrient deficiency.

Bad gut flora can disturb, among other things, the pH of your intestinal tract and lower the bacterial defenses of your teeth. This allows for harmful bacteria to develop.
The author of this thread would know about this: he got the first 2 cavities of his life past-25yo in the 2 back molars after 6 months of low-intensity acid reflux, which he talked about in another thread (as soon as the reflux went away, all dental problems were gone).
So gut health is a key factor. A peaty, fruit sugar-focused diet (for stomach pH) with unpasturized dairy (for gut microbiome [4,5]) should bring about a healthy gut flora.

While "gut health" is definitely a vague and intangible concept for the most part, we can point to some notable phenomenon, notably shortcomings in the methylation process, bringing about excess histamines causing gut problems, and thus teeth cavities or mouth ulcers. This is why, unsurprisingly, supplementation in B vitamins greatly attenuates mouth ulcers recurrence.[14]

Nutrient deficiency, notably in fat-soluble vitamins A, D and K2 (MK-4) found in meat, dairy and fish is also a main culprit. They are required by the immune system of your teeth to function. That is arguably why a vegan diet is detrimental to dental health.[6]
Magnesium, calcium and vitamin D work together for the maintenance of bone density.
Collagen (glycine especially), vitamin C also play a major role in dental health.[8,9,13]
Basically make sure you’re getting all of your nutrients.

When you’re under attack

If you feel increased sensibility in your teeth (to sugar, cold or hot), this means you’re being attacked. Few pointers that could work to nuke the bad bastards eating on your enamel, remineralize your teeth and regrow your gum.

Rinse after eating.
Use a straw to drink any sugary stuff (you’ll have to renounce your heterosexuality until teeth improve).
Oil pulling with coconut oil, a traditional ayurvedic remedy which seems to work. [10]
Old traditional mouthwash with essential oils can possibly help.[12]
Antibiotics could work too.
Gum (like xylitol), if possible soaked in K2/D3/calcium, an old-school remedy.[11]
Methylene blue can also work, also seems to help whiten teeth.
Chewing mastic gum is proven to kick out the bad bacteria out of your mouth and helps with remineralization plaque and gingivitis
(http://dx.doi.org/10.1902/jop.2003.74.4.501 , https://doi.org/10.2319/122205-455r.1 , https://www.cabidigitallibrary.org/doi/full/10.5555/20093184339).
Chewing cloves can help just as well, it's a powerful antibiotic and potential mood uplifter (from @ah): "Ill keep chewing/swishing until the saliva is too much and I have to spit it out"
Homemade toothpaste : coconut oil, sodium bicarbonate and some essential oil of your chosing (like mint) (from @Martiño): "heat the coconut oil if it's in solid state, once its liquid, add sodium bicarbonate and if you want mint essential oil to give it that classic freshness."

Questions

I am definitely not an expert on this topic, so feel free to correct me.
What do you guys think?
Have you seen worsened dental health with a sucrose-rich diet?
What are some of your techniques to remineralize?

References

Case studies

@Evolutionarily said in The Dental Care Thread:

For anyone who has a dental issue they are trying to fix holistically rather than the dental route, I have stumbled upon a regimen which definitely works, the bads news is I don't know which one is doing the work or if they are synergistic (likely they are but also likely just 1 or 2 of these things would have sufficed).

This was my post a month ago: https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/1492/tips-for-naturally-healing-a-dental-pocket-cavity

What I did:
-Coconut oil pulling in morning (just swish in mouth for 2-5 mins whilst im preparing breakfast)
-Xylitol gum (I found one with good ingredients; and I spit out the first big load of flavour/etc)
-Chewing cloves
-Chewing Mastic gum
-Salt water swish and gargle 3-4 times per day and after food
-In the evening black seed oil pulling (again nothing crazy; few mins of swishing it around focusing on the tooth I was having issues with).
-5mg of K2 MK4 per day
-Daily Flossing, Interdental brushes, and teeth brushing

Not only did the above regimen appear to have fixed my issue; it also cleared my tongue dramatically so it's perfectly pink in the morning now, and I would always have one or two small bits of bleeding when flossing on specific teeth, just a little bit, but I realized writing this that has 100% gone now too.

zeal

@HyperTorless2 Nice thread.

CO3

@HyperTorless2 Most important tools for oral hygiene are a tongue scraper and possibly a waterpik. Oil pulling is very useful too, and of course a good diet

HyperTorless

Important addition: chewing mastic gum is proven to kick out the bad bacteria out of your mouth. It can also helps with remineralization plaque and gingivitis
(http://dx.doi.org/10.1902/jop.2003.74.4.501 , https://doi.org/10.2319/122205-455r.1 , https://www.cabidigitallibrary.org/doi/full/10.5555/20093184339).

RapexEat

bump. good thread

Martiño

Nice thread. I started making my own toothpaste a week ago, coconut oil + sodium bicarbonate. Just one week using it I can already feel the difference, my teeth feel stronger and my mouth overall healthier. It's stupidly easy to make the toothpaste at home, heat the coconut oil if it's in solid state, once its liquid, add sodium bicarbonate and if you want mint essential oil to give it that classic freshness. Then put everything in a cold recipient to help it cool down faster and straight to the fridge. Once it's solid again I put it in a crystal sealed jar and there you go.

It was important for me to get rid of those chemicals.

enoch

The Ellie Philips routine has made a huge difference in my oral health; most Peaters are afraid of the fluoride though.

ah

recently I started chewing cloves, just chewing one or two at a time and swishing the bits around my mouth
Ill keep chewing/swishing until the saliva is too much and I have to spit it out
Its a very powerful antibiotic for the mouth, cleared up my white tongue and makes my teeth feel squeaky clean afterwards
I found it to uplift my mood and have a slight stimulatory effect as well
Some people might have objections to the eugenol in cloves but one or two cloves do not have enough to be dangerous in anyway but its just enough to be an effective antibiotic

Harlock

@HyperTorless2 Any good chewing mastig gum link ?

jhp

Lots of xylitol gums have many additives. I find it easier and cheaper just to buy pure xylitol and swish it around my mouth for a few minutes. I think for maximum benefits one should try and do this several times a day. It can also be swallowed and may have positive, anti-microbial effects in the gut.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31390800/: Xylitol has been widely documented to have dental health benefits, such as reducing the risk for dental caries. Here we report on other health benefits that have been investigated for xylitol. In skin, xylitol has been reported to improve barrier function and suppress the growth of potential skin pathogens. As a non-digestible carbohydrate, xylitol enters the colon where it is fermented by members of the colonic microbiota; species of the genus Anaerostipes have been reported to ferment xylitol and produce butyrate. The most common Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium species do not appear to be able to grow on xylitol. The non-digestible but fermentable nature of xylitol also contributes to a constipation relieving effect and improved bone mineral density. Xylitol also modulates the immune system, which, together with its antimicrobial activity contribute to a reduced respiratory tract infection, sinusitis, and otitis media risk. As a low caloric sweetener, xylitol may contribute to weight management. It has been suggested that xylitol also increases satiety, but these results are not convincing yet. The benefit of xylitol on metabolic health, in addition to the benefit of the mere replacement of sucrose, remains to be determined in humans. Additional health benefits of xylitol have thus been reported and indicate further opportunities but need to be confirmed in human studies.

HyperTorless

@Harlock In Europe you can get a year-round supply from https://mastic.gr/
I don't know about elsewhere though.
@Martiño Great job!
@enoch Nice!
@ah Didn't know about cloves!
@jhp Yeah pure xylitol is best!

ah

new dental care alpha: GC Tooth Mousse
active ingredient is CPP-ACP (Recaldent), a complex formed from casein and calcium/phosphate ions in an ideal ratio to remineralise teeth
can allegedly remineralise white spot lesions, and early stage of tooth decay traditionally thought to be irreversible
Ive been using it this past week and my teeth feel stronger/less porous, seems good so far
some of the inactive ingredients arent great (titanium dioxide, guar gum) but if it works as well as people say Im willing to overlook them, plus you spit it out anyway youre not supposed to swallow
its also flouride free if thats a concern, although it should be used after brushing with flouride toothpaste for optimal results
just found out theres also Recaldent chewing gum, which might be worth looking into, in light of that study showing the efficacy of calcium/K2 gum

ah

@ah oh I wanted to add, I discovered this because I wanted an alternative to nanohydroxyapatite, since microscopic shards of nha possibly accumulate in organs and cause damage
cppacp is nontoxic

Buckian

Does anyone here use blotting toothbrushes?

These with a number of the above suggestions have been helpful for me.

Kvirion

@ah said in The Dental Care Thread:

GC Tooth Mousse

It sounds promising, but it contains a few disturbing ingredients like Silicon Dioxide, Titanium Dioxide, Guar Gum, and p-hydroxybenzoate.

"Silicon dioxide is basically powdered glass and easily injures the intestine." ~Haidut

jazzmaster

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What do. It doesn’t hurt or bleed, not sensitive to temperature. Neglected teeth for a while. Depressed and crazy tobacco and nicotine consumption, cigarettes, snus, cigars.

CurmudgeonApple

@HyperTorless2 said in The Dental Care Thread:

Important addition: chewing mastic gum is proven to kick out the bad bacteria out of your mouth. It can also helps with remineralization plaque and gingivitis
(http://dx.doi.org/10.1902/jop.2003.74.4.501 , https://doi.org/10.2319/122205-455r.1 , https://www.cabidigitallibrary.org/doi/full/10.5555/20093184339).

Lmao...most of those studies are showing a 4% and less decrease in gingival plaque indexes. I'd never touch the stuff but Chlorhexidine, has shown inhibition of GPI of almost 100% in some studies. "Statistical significance" doesn't mean what you would assume it means in scientific gobbledygook

They don't even have a proposed mechanism for it, so it's probably just increased saliva production from mastication. You can get the same benefit from any other gum, or cheese. Cheese because of it releasing histamine which increases muscarinic receptors will far surpass any gum for salivary secretions

I haven't seen any studies to support it, but i would imagine that pine tar/resin based chewing gums might be quite effective. Pine tars and resins can actually prevent the ability for cells to produce abnormally e.g mast cell degranulation(gum swelling etc), so not as basic in function as a regular antifungal/bacterial, which means there is little chance that anaerobic gram negative bacteria can become resistant to it

raypneat

@HyperTorless2 said in The Dental Care Thread:

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At one point a few years back I was chewing mastic gum everyday while working out, and I went to the dentist and they told me I had really good teeth. I think there was a connection because I never really had good teeth hygiene other than brushing every night.

achilleskiani

It was a good article
Thank you
If you want to suggest a good dental clinic in Richmond Hill, Canada, I will introduce you to Sunshine dentistry

Mossy

@Buckian said in The Dental Care Thread:

Does anyone here use blotting toothbrushes?

I have tried those, but it was too time-consuming and tedious of a process. I now use a water-floss device instead.