The Dental Care Thread
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new dental care alpha: GC Tooth Mousse
active ingredient is CPP-ACP (Recaldent), a complex formed from casein and calcium/phosphate ions in an ideal ratio to remineralise teeth
can allegedly remineralise white spot lesions, and early stage of tooth decay traditionally thought to be irreversible
Ive been using it this past week and my teeth feel stronger/less porous, seems good so far
some of the inactive ingredients arent great (titanium dioxide, guar gum) but if it works as well as people say Im willing to overlook them, plus you spit it out anyway youre not supposed to swallow
its also flouride free if thats a concern, although it should be used after brushing with flouride toothpaste for optimal results
just found out theres also Recaldent chewing gum, which might be worth looking into, in light of that study showing the efficacy of calcium/K2 gum -
@ah oh I wanted to add, I discovered this because I wanted an alternative to nanohydroxyapatite, since microscopic shards of nha possibly accumulate in organs and cause damage
cppacp is nontoxic -
Does anyone here use blotting toothbrushes?
These with a number of the above suggestions have been helpful for me.
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@ah said in The Dental Care Thread:
GC Tooth Mousse
It sounds promising, but it contains a few disturbing ingredients like Silicon Dioxide, Titanium Dioxide, Guar Gum, and p-hydroxybenzoate.
"Silicon dioxide is basically powdered glass and easily injures the intestine." ~Haidut
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What do. It doesn’t hurt or bleed, not sensitive to temperature. Neglected teeth for a while. Depressed and crazy tobacco and nicotine consumption, cigarettes, snus, cigars. -
@HyperTorless2 said in The Dental Care Thread:
Important addition: chewing mastic gum is proven to kick out the bad bacteria out of your mouth. It can also helps with remineralization plaque and gingivitis
(http://dx.doi.org/10.1902/jop.2003.74.4.501 , https://doi.org/10.2319/122205-455r.1 , https://www.cabidigitallibrary.org/doi/full/10.5555/20093184339).Lmao...most of those studies are showing a 4% and less decrease in gingival plaque indexes. I'd never touch the stuff but Chlorhexidine, has shown inhibition of GPI of almost 100% in some studies. "Statistical significance" doesn't mean what you would assume it means in scientific gobbledygook
They don't even have a proposed mechanism for it, so it's probably just increased saliva production from mastication. You can get the same benefit from any other gum, or cheese. Cheese because of it releasing histamine which increases muscarinic receptors will far surpass any gum for salivary secretions
I haven't seen any studies to support it, but i would imagine that pine tar/resin based chewing gums might be quite effective. Pine tars and resins can actually prevent the ability for cells to produce abnormally e.g mast cell degranulation(gum swelling etc), so not as basic in function as a regular antifungal/bacterial, which means there is little chance that anaerobic gram negative bacteria can become resistant to it
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@HyperTorless2 said in The Dental Care Thread:
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At one point a few years back I was chewing mastic gum everyday while working out, and I went to the dentist and they told me I had really good teeth. I think there was a connection because I never really had good teeth hygiene other than brushing every night.
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It was a good article
Thank you
If you want to suggest a good dental clinic in Richmond Hill, Canada, I will introduce you to Sunshine dentistry -
@Buckian said in The Dental Care Thread:
Does anyone here use blotting toothbrushes?
I have tried those, but it was too time-consuming and tedious of a process. I now use a water-floss device instead.
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Nice thread, thanks for the references.
Everyone should read Price, not just N&PD but his other works as well. He really was such a passionate researcher- I don't think American dentistry has had a mind like his since he passed.
He has a good quote: "These activators have a role which, in some regards, might be compared to that of an ignition system of a gas engine in relation to the utilization of the fuel." Activators are vit K, A, and D.
Price noted a 4x increase in dental caries during winter and spring vs summer and fall. He attributed this to seasonal depletion of nutrients, especially Vit D which has been established since the 1930s to be heavily influential in the development of cavities.
I've never had serious dental issues but I will say that I've noticed a shift in my gums after consuming more K2. I see people all the time obsess with their teeth but pay almost no attention to their gums. The result is you get people with these nice ivory white veneers or hour-long "teeth strengthening" routines and their gums bleed every time they eat a sandwich with bread that's a little too crispy.
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It is almost impossible to find things near me that don't have dioxides, stearates, microcellulose extracts, etc.
I've been tempted to run some tests to see whether supplements actually have the amount of material they say they do. When you've got five different add-ins, then I question how much of your product is actual product.
Greift nur hinein ins volle Menschenleben! Ein jeder lebt's, nicht vielen ist's bekannt, und wo ihr's packt, da ist's interessant.
Ray Peat first-ever interview(July 1987 on UofO Student Radio)
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@JulofEnoch said in The Dental Care Thread:
It is almost impossible to find things near me that don't have dioxides, stearates, microcellulose extracts, etc.
Yeah, it's hard, but I noticed that in recent years there is a positive trend of "clean label products" i.e. some novel companies are trying to minimize additives in supplements, at least in the EU.
When you've got five different add-ins, then I question how much of your product is actual product.
Good point!
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For anyone who has a dental issue they are trying to fix holistically rather than the dental route, I have stumbled upon a regimen which definitely works, the bads news is I don't know which one is doing the work or if they are synergistic (likely they are but also likely just 1 or 2 of these things would have sufficed).
This was my post a month ago: https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/1492/tips-for-naturally-healing-a-dental-pocket-cavity
What I did:
-Coconut oil pulling in morning (just swish in mouth for 2-5 mins whilst im preparing breakfast)
-Xylitol gum (I found one with good ingredients; and I spit out the first big load of flavour/etc)
-Chewing cloves
-Chewing Mastic gum
-Salt water swish and gargle 3-4 times per day and after food
-In the evening black seed oil pulling (again nothing crazy; few mins of swishing it around focusing on the tooth I was having issues with).
-5mg of K2 MK4 per day
-Daily Flossing, Interdental brushes, and teeth brushingNot only did the above regimen appear to have fixed my issue; it also cleared my tongue dramatically so it's perfectly pink in the morning now, and I would always have one or two small bits of bleeding when flossing on specific teeth, just a little bit, but I realized writing this that has 100% gone now too.
Yes the above regimen is a hassle; but it's worth noting Peat himself appears to have had many tooth issues. This regimen has avoided me (so far, knock on wood) dental work which would involve x-rays, and cutting under the gum to get to the dental pocket, and the plan now is to phase back and see how I go, hopefully identify the 80:20 of my above regimen.
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@ah said in The Dental Care Thread:
some of the inactive ingredients arent great (titanium dioxide, guar gum)
Seems it also contains some phosphoric acid!
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@wrl said in The Dental Care Thread:
Maybe a sodium bicarbonate swish after using this product?
Yeah, probably a good idea, but it may also wash away the good ingredients...
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@Kvirion
Yup true; ok, then mix some S.bicarbonate into the mix to neutralise any free phosphoric acid. -
was reading about teeth whitening with hydrogen peroxide. any one tried it?
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@HyperTorless2 i like to gather spit sometimes and rinse/gargle teeth with it. thoughts this? i notice i can elicit spit response if i imagine lemon or do reverse mewing on lower gums behind bottom teeth
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GC Tooth Mousse
active ingredient is CPP-ACP (Recaldent), a complex formed from casein and calcium/phosphate ions in an ideal ratio to remineralise teethIn principle it's a good idea, too bad for the additives.
@CurmudgeonApple said in The Dental Care Thread:
i would imagine that pine tar/resin based chewing gums might be quite effective. Pine tars and resins can actually prevent the ability for cells to produce abnormally e.g mast cell degranulation(gum swelling etc), so not as basic in function as a regular antifungal/bacterial, which means there is little chance that anaerobic gram negative bacteria can become resistant to it
Good idea!
On your first point I agree statistical significance can be meaningless but in that first study the effect of mastic gum on S. Mutans alone (not on protectory lactobacilli) is pretty dramatic.
@JulofEnoch said in The Dental Care Thread:
Everyone should read Price, not just N&PD but his other works as well. He really was such a passionate researcher- I don't think American dentistry has had a mind like his since he passed.
Excellent stuff, thanks for posting, I didn't know that one!
@Evolutionarily said in The Dental Care Thread:
This was my post a month ago: https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/1492/tips-for-naturally-healing-a-dental-pocket-cavity
What I did:
-Coconut oil pulling in morning (just swish in mouth for 2-5 mins whilst im preparing breakfast)
-Xylitol gum (I found one with good ingredients; and I spit out the first big load of flavour/etc)
-Chewing cloves
-Chewing Mastic gum
-Salt water swish and gargle 3-4 times per day and after food
-In the evening black seed oil pulling (again nothing crazy; few mins of swishing it around focusing on the tooth I was having issues with).
-5mg of K2 MK4 per day
-Daily Flossing, Interdental brushes, and teeth brushingGood job!
@the-MOUSE in The Dental Care Thread:
Seems good. Invoking spit response is definitely impressive lolAs someone who brushes teeth once a day with no toothpaste and has never had teeth problems once, I would like to reiterate that if you get teeth and mouth problems it's likely a consequence of other deficiencies (vitamin C, A, K2, D, B vitamins, etc.). Resolving the symptom won't help it.
... Actually scratch that: I had my first cavity when I had harsh episodes of debilitating acid reflux past 25yo. I'm still investigating but my main theory is that the bottom of the problem seems to be a shortcoming in the methylation process (essentially some B vitamins deficiency).
