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Thoughts about my diet ? Do I have potential to achieve PUFA deficiency in a few years?

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    Ray Peat Fanboy
    last edited by Ray Peat Fanboy Apr 26, 2024, 8:12 PM Apr 26, 2024, 8:04 PM

    Thoughts about my diet? Do I have potential to achieve PUFA deficiency in a few years?

    This is what I eat in a day:

    -2,5 kilo potato , boiled with skin on .

    • 1 litr of low fat milk (0,5 % fat)
    • 1 litr of coca cola

    Total PUFA intake: 1,6 gram a day. (1,1 gram from the potatoes + 0,5 gram from the low fat milk)

    Protein: 74 gram
    Carbohydrate: 517 gram
    Total fat: 7,5 gram (of that 1,6 gram is PUFA)

    Supplements and medicine:
    -100 - 300 mg thiamine HCL

    • 1 - 2 gram aspirin
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      peatius pilate @Ray Peat Fanboy
      last edited by Apr 27, 2024, 9:04 AM

      @Ray-Peat-Fanboy why so restrictive?

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        Ray Peat Fanboy @peatius pilate
        last edited by Apr 27, 2024, 12:34 PM

        @peatius-pilate

        Trying to achieve PUFA deficiency.

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          Milk Destroyer
          last edited by Apr 27, 2024, 10:10 PM

          If that is really all you ever consume I doubt it'd take more than a year tbh...

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            Ray Peat Fanboy @Milk Destroyer
            last edited by Apr 28, 2024, 12:02 AM

            @Milk-Destroyer

            I have been eating like this for 3 weeks now. Hopefully i'll stick to it without any accidental cheat days.

            I really like this high carb + very low fat diet . I find a high carb intake to be anti stress.

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              dan.dominic @Ray Peat Fanboy
              last edited by Apr 28, 2024, 12:57 AM

              @Ray-Peat-Fanboy 2.5 kilo of potatoes is really interesting.

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                BioEclectic
                last edited by BioEclectic Apr 28, 2024, 2:48 AM Apr 28, 2024, 2:41 AM

                That's a bit restrictive. With a focused effort PUFA can likely be "depleted" in less time than a few years.

                This thread discussion may be a little too optimistic but it'll give you an idea: https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/pufa-depletion-can-probably-be-accomplished-in-30-days.4954/

                And last but not least, wash / peel your potatoes and remove the eyes, this will lower the solanine content right off the bat. Some nations also spray their potatoes for storage purposes. You'll especially want to wash/peel if you're boiling the potatoes in a soup since you'll also be drinking the water.

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                  Ray Peat Fanboy @dan.dominic
                  last edited by Apr 28, 2024, 3:15 AM

                  @dan-dominic

                  Potato is the best carb source because it has a extremly low PUFA content compared to other carb sources like bread or pasta. More vitamins and minerals aswell.

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                    Ray Peat Fanboy @BioEclectic
                    last edited by Apr 28, 2024, 3:27 AM

                    @BioEclectic

                    I always remove the eyes if those are there, but i keep the skin on for the nutrients. A lot of the nutrients seems to be in the skin , like copper for example.

                    I remember that thread by Georgi Dinkov , it is very intresting. Do you know how many grams of fat the monkeys were eating on the "fat free diet" ? I assume it cant be 0 gram fat in the literal sense unless they were semi fasting on nothing but white sugar or pure dextrose/glucose powder and water. Even William Brown ate 2 grams of fat when he was on the extremly low fat diet.

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                      BioEclectic @Ray Peat Fanboy
                      last edited by BioEclectic Apr 28, 2024, 3:29 AM Apr 28, 2024, 3:27 AM

                      @Ray-Peat-Fanboy said in Thoughts about my diet ? Do I have potential to achieve PUFA deficiency in a few years?:

                      @dan-dominic

                      Potato is the best carb source because it has a extremly low PUFA content compared to other carb sources like bread or pasta. More vitamins and minerals aswell.

                      Not to mention both protein and amino acid precursors known as ketoacids.

                      From what i've read potatoes and dairy together are supposedly a good choice for subsistence cultures. I'd rather not find out but if one were in poverty it's a doable healthy diet if done right.

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                        Ray Peat Fanboy @BioEclectic
                        last edited by Apr 28, 2024, 3:30 AM

                        @BioEclectic

                        Defintely! It's quite cheap to eat like this , while being healthy at the same time.

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                          BioEclectic @Ray Peat Fanboy
                          last edited by BioEclectic Apr 28, 2024, 3:50 AM Apr 28, 2024, 3:42 AM

                          @Ray-Peat-Fanboy
                          As long as you keep the solanine content and mitigation measures in mind, scrub then boil well, don't consume the water etc. I wouldn't want the effects to slowly creep up on you. Greenish color under the potato skin is a giveaway for extra high solanine content btw, it can still be peeled and safely consumed though.

                          Not sure if there was any fat content in the monkey's diet, but yea, hard to be zero fat.

                          As for the lowfat milk, i see you've read some of Travis's posts about milk homogenization lol. We don't want raw milkfat & casein running through our bloodstream, yikes. Have you read about improving milk's digestion by combining it with coffee?

                          Edited.

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                            Ray Peat Fanboy @BioEclectic
                            last edited by Apr 28, 2024, 3:59 AM

                            @BioEclectic

                            Yes I always eat the potatoes dry after removing the water. I remember reading that adding vinegar/acetic acid while boiling the potatoes can help to remove solanine. https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/a-method-to-remove-solanine-fryom-potatoes.44421/

                            I haven't read about coffee improving the digestion of milk yet. I should start adding some coffee powder to milk, maybe instant coffee. What is the mechanism behind coffee improving milk digestion if they are mixed together ?

                            About Travis posts on milk homogenisation , I havent seen those actually, but im trying to search for those posts on RPF now 🙂

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                              dan.dominic @Ray Peat Fanboy
                              last edited by Apr 28, 2024, 12:39 PM

                              @Ray-Peat-Fanboy Yea Potatoes are great I just haven’t seen anyone eating 5lb per day. But really that’s how most people used to eat for thousands of years. Like 1 kilo of starch as the base of their diet.

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                                Milk Destroyer @Ray Peat Fanboy
                                last edited by Apr 28, 2024, 2:47 PM

                                @Ray-Peat-Fanboy I tried a similar approach to this diet a few months back and ran into a few problems. Do you mind if I ask you questions regarding it?

                                1. Does your skin feel dry at all? Especially the palms of your hands?

                                2. How often do you buy potatoes and how do you store them? Do you often find lots of eyes and growths on them?

                                3. Do you put anything else on the potato? Or do you just eat them boiled?

                                4. Do you often feel euphoric? Would you say your mood is good on this diet?

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                                  Androsclerozat @Ray Peat Fanboy
                                  last edited by Apr 28, 2024, 7:40 PM

                                  @Ray-Peat-Fanboy I did this diet for a month and I had good bowel movements but man I felt so bored and unmotivated
                                  Never coming back
                                  Starch kills spice of life

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                                    BioEclectic @Ray Peat Fanboy
                                    last edited by BioEclectic Apr 29, 2024, 1:02 AM Apr 28, 2024, 10:58 PM

                                    @Ray-Peat-Fanboy said in Thoughts about my diet ? Do I have potential to achieve PUFA deficiency in a few years?:

                                    @BioEclectic

                                    Yes I always eat the potatoes dry after removing the water. I remember reading that adding vinegar/acetic acid while boiling the potatoes can help to remove solanine. https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/a-method-to-remove-solanine-fryom-potatoes.44421/

                                    I haven't read about coffee improving the digestion of milk yet. I should start adding some coffee powder to milk, maybe instant coffee. What is the mechanism behind coffee improving milk digestion if they are mixed together ?

                                    About Travis posts on milk homogenisation , I havent seen those actually, but im trying to search for those posts on RPF now 🙂

                                    I don't recall the mechanism behind coffee and milk digestion but had heard it referenced plenty of times in the other forum. It may take quite a bit of coffee though maybe 2/1 or 3/1 coffee/milk but i'll guess that any amount may help at least some folks. Instant may make it easier. Had also heard the benefits of combining are a two way street with milk binding some of the less helpful tannins in coffee etc.

                                    i'll try to find Travis's homogenized milk persorption comments and post them here if i do.

                                    Edit: found a couple

                                    • https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-travis-corner.21611/page-67#post-356171
                                    • https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-travis-corner.21611/page-79#post-372858

                                    I see some of our current members were in the above linked threads @Amazoniac

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                                      Ray Peat Fanboy @Milk Destroyer
                                      last edited by Ray Peat Fanboy Apr 29, 2024, 2:03 AM Apr 29, 2024, 1:27 AM

                                      I got inspired to eat like this from this thread by @haidut https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-people-with-the-worlds-healthiest-hearts-eat-a-72-carbohydrate-diet.28862/

                                      I buy potatoes once a day or once every other day. I live close to a grocery store so its quite easy and convenient.

                                      I have had no problems with dry skin.

                                      The potatoes I eat has never had eyes on them luckily.

                                      I put lots of salt on the boiled potatoes , sometimes some herbal spices or black pepper. Occasionaly maybe some apple cider vinegar.

                                      Yes my mood is very good on this diet. I would say the high amounts of potassium and carbohydrate has a very noticeable anti stress effect. I even feel physically more relaxed after those big potato meals , like no muscle tension at all.

                                      Recently I have added the routine of taking 100 -300 mg thiamine HCL on empty stomach 30 minutes before eating the potatoes, and I think this has helped with converting the carbs to CO2.

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                                        Ray Peat Fanboy @Androsclerozat
                                        last edited by Apr 29, 2024, 1:42 AM

                                        @Androsclerozat

                                        I see. For me I have found that starch gives me the most satiety. I need a high starch diet , otherwise i'll get too hungry. ☺

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                                          Ray Peat Fanboy @BioEclectic
                                          last edited by Apr 29, 2024, 1:55 AM

                                          @BioEclectic

                                          I see , thats intresting. So have I understood this correct , low fat milk is NOT homogenised while whole 3 % milk is homogenised?

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