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      AinmBeo
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      If anyone here wants steps on how to make their Reuteri at home, in 36 hours with a Luvele yogurt maker (incredibly easy), let me know.
      This makes yogurt that has many, many more good bacteria per ounce than the Gaia tablets, although you start with the tablets.

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        Galaroc @AinmBeo
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        @AinmBeo

        I am highly interested in hearing about how you do this.

        @Mauritio

        I am familiar with this particular strain as I recall hearing Bronze Age Pervert speak about the Gastrus product as far back as 2022 or earlier, and he reports similar virilizing effects. Thank you for posting these studies, I had never seen anything on it quantified like this.

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          Mr. X @AinmBeo
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          @Mauritio can you recommend a product?

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            Sunniva @AinmBeo
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            @AinmBeo said in L. Reuteri:

            If anyone here wants steps on how to make their Reuteri at home, in 36 hours with a Luvele yogurt maker (incredibly easy), let me know.
            This makes yogurt that has many, many more good bacteria per ounce than the Gaia tablets, although you start with the tablets.

            Please post your procedure to make the yogurt. Thank you, 😊

            "You're changing your past every time you learn something because you become a different organism" Ray Peat

            "Everything is changing thru time, whether it's a word, organism, thing. The world around it changes, and so its relationships change"Ray Peat

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              AinmBeo
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              The info is all here:
              https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/what-helps-rosacea-and-where-can-i-find-it.52965/post-992722

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                A Former User @AinmBeo
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                @AinmBeo I have been looking into making yogurt with L. Reuteri. Have you used these starter cultures https://www.luvele.com/products/l-reuteri-starter-culture-lr-superfood ? Looks better than buying the tablets. Also wondering if you find the Luvele worth the price? I usually just use a cooler with hot water to incubate yogurt for 24 hours or more.

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                  AinmBeo @A Former User
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                  @Sippy
                  I had no luck with those.
                  Also, the Gaia Reuteri is the best strain out there.
                  Also, using the luvele to make the Gaia Reuteri is a time-tested method.
                  One strain, so no worries about not having the right temp.

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                    AinmBeo @A Former User
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                    @Sippy
                    The Luvele is defintely worth the price.
                    It takes me 5 minutes to start the yogurt.
                    Pour in milk.
                    Put in some crushed tablets (first time) or some existing reut. yogurt (all other times).
                    Put in some lactose powder.
                    Add water to the basin.
                    Plug in.
                    Set timer and temp.
                    Easy peasy.
                    36 hours later, done.
                    Strain for 24 hours in the fridge.
                    It takes time - and almost zero effort.

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                      LetTheRedeemed @AinmBeo
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                      @AinmBeo could I just buy some from you? lol

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                        A Former User @AinmBeo
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                        @AinmBeo Thanks for your reply.
                        Do you think the Luvelle would fit quart mason jars?
                        I see that you use lactose instead of inulin. Does this work better for you? Where do you get your lactose powder?

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                          AinmBeo @A Former User
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                          @Sippy said in L. Reuteri:

                          Do you think the Luvelle would fit quart mason jars?
                          I

                          The luvele comes with its own glass container, which holds 64 oz.
                          It also comes with a top, to keep the temp even.
                          A quart mason jar would probably not even fit.

                          I use lactose instead of inulin because Peat spoke against inulin, as inulin is fermentable in your lower gut. Lactose works fine.

                          -Where do you get your lactose powder?
                          amazon

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                            A Former User @AinmBeo
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                            @AinmBeo why do you need more lactose if the milk has lactose already? and do you only use it in the first batch or in all batches?

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                              AinmBeo @A Former User
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                              @Sippy The point of adding inulin or lactose is to make sure that the bacteria have enough fuel to multiply themselves a lot over the 36 hours.

                              I got my start on this at the Dr. Davis site.

                              If you want to see more on reuteri, go here and search for reuteri: https://innercircle.drdavisinfinitehealth.com/landing/category_search_landing.aspx

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                                Sunniva @AinmBeo
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                                @AinmBeo said in L. Reuteri:

                                @Sippy The point of adding inulin or lactose is to make sure that the bacteria have enough fuel to multiply themselves a lot over the 36 hours.

                                I got my start on this at the Dr. Davis site.

                                If you want to see more on reuteri, go here and search for reuteri: https://innercircle.drdavisinfinitehealth.com/landing/category_search_landing.aspx

                                How long have you been making the yogurt?
                                Have you seen benefits that you would attribute to eating it?

                                "You're changing your past every time you learn something because you become a different organism" Ray Peat

                                "Everything is changing thru time, whether it's a word, organism, thing. The world around it changes, and so its relationships change"Ray Peat

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                                  AinmBeo @Sunniva
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                                  @Sunniva

                                  • How long have you been making the yogurt?
                                    About two years.
                                  • Have you seen benefits that you would attribute to eating it?
                                    It is hard to tell. I have made a lot of other changes in the last 2 years.
                                    If you start making it, make sure that you strain it, per the instructions.
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                                    Mauritio @Ismail
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                                    @Ismail said in L. Reuteri:

                                    @Mauritio I took this a few years ago after seeing the study, every time I took it, I felt a little stressed and quite aggressive.
                                    Got 10 boxes sitting in the fridge that have now expired - not sure if they’re even okay to take now or as “active”.

                                    Same, but it gets less with time. First two days I felt really wired and sleep was suboptimal and I went down to a fourth of a tablet, then it got better. I try to funnel the aggression into something useful. But it's definitely harder to relax.
                                    But you know, we got magnesium and glycine and other Gabaergics...

                                    Dare to think.

                                    My X:
                                    x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                                      Mauritio @Mr. X
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                                      @Mr-X said in L. Reuteri:

                                      @Mauritio can you recommend a product?

                                      I use the bio gaia gastrus from Kaufland.de

                                      Dare to think.

                                      My X:
                                      x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                                        Ismail @Mauritio
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                                        @Mauritio good point bud; I didn’t know much about gabaergics all those years ago, might try this at some point again.

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                                          Amazoniac
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                                          I don't know to which strains it applies, but it's worth being aware of:

                                          Safety of D(-)-Lactic Acid Producing Bacteria in the Human Infant

                                          "Lactobacillus reuteri ATCC 55730 (also called SD2112) is a proven probiotic with the capacity to reduce infections and diarrhea in infants (9-11), and it has been suggested that this probiotic may also have immunomodulatory effects against allergy. It is one of many species of Lactobacillus known to produce both L(+)-lactic acid and D(-)-lactic acid through normal sugar fermentation. Safety evaluations on L. reuteri ATCC 55730 have been performed in controlled clinical trials on healthy volunteers (12) and immunocompromised (HIV-infected) adults (13), children, and infants (10,11,14) without adverse effects. The present study investigates the levels of D(-)-lactic acid in the blood at the age of 6 and 12 months in infants who have been supplemented daily with the probiotic from birth."

                                          "We observed no adverse events after long-term dietary supplementation with L. reuteri in the newborn infants participating in this study. This is in line with the literature because only in cases of short-bowel syndrome, where significant commensal flora overgrowth occurs spontaneously, is there possibly a risk of excessive spill over of D(-)-lactic acid into the blood and consequent D-lactic acidosis (7,30). Even in such cases, however, D(-)-lactic acid producing L. plantarum supplements have in fact been demonstrated to reverse D-lactic acidosis (31). Furthermore, infants supplemented with L. reuteri ATCC 55730 at doses up to 10^11 CFU/day show no evidence of overgrowth of total lactobacilli or symptoms associated with D-lactic acidosis (10,11)."

                                          I now have a support page!

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                                            LetTheRedeemed @Amazoniac
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                                            @Amazoniac yeaahhh... I had some concerns too, because of some old posts by Georgi...

                                            Well, the study below finally provides direct evidence that Lupus can be triggered by a bacterial strain commonly found in many probiotic products - Lactobacillus reuteri.
                                            Lactobacillus reuteri - Wikipedia

                                            In light of the continuously accumulating evidence that bacterial overgrowth in colon has a role in virtually all chronic diseases, I would be very wary of exogenous supplementation unless there is proven colonization with a much more dangerous pathogen.

                                            https://www.cell.com/cell-host-micr...7.383612938.1545923258-233655730.1545923257#
                                            https://www.genengnews.com/news/microbiome-changes-through-diet-may-help-ease-lupus-symptoms/

                                            “We dissected, molecularly, how diets can work on the gut microbiome,” said senior author Martin Kriegel, M.D., Ph.D., associate professor adjunct in the department of immunobiology, Yale University School of Medicine. “We identified a pathway that is driving autoimmune disease and mitigated by the diet.” The paper, A Diet-Sensitive Commensal Lactobacillus Strain Mediates TLR7-Dependent Systemic Autoimmunity was published recently in Cell Host & Microbe. The team first identified the bacterium, Lactobacillus reuteri, in the gut of the mice that triggered an immune response leading to the disease. Specifically, in the Toll-like receptor 7 (TLR7)-dependent mouse models of lupus, L. reuteri stimulated immune cells known as dendritic cells, as well as immune system pathways that exacerbated disease development."

                                            https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/a-common-probiotic-strain-lactobacillus-may-cause-lupus.27085/

                                            ###### this sux cuz I want a quick fix for my infectious problems 😞

                                            I'm not beyond looking for some evidence that results can be safely found in moderation.

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