Charlie hatin Dairy was a trend prior to anti-VA fad
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Re: Question for Charlie at Ray Peat Forum on his insults against Milk and Fructose (Honey)
I just found this from 2019 on the rpf...
Charlie:
Correct, dairy being the worst. Not only does it leave an acid ash, it also causes a ton of mucus which plugs up the lymphatic system. Double whammy.
Sugar from fruits are the best, hands down.
Please show me where the body uses protein. It cannot use protein. It has to break it down into amino acids and this process leaves an acid ash which wrecks havoc on the body when not removed. Why not get the amino acids from fruit and veggies? :ss2
My estrogen is the lowest it ever has been and regeneration has skyrocketed. I do not need a study to show me that...
edit: If any animal protein is needed I do not think it is the high amounts being suggested, if at all. I can only report what I am finding, and what I am finding is pretty incredible. There are others in the background thriving off fruit now. Some has chosen to keep some protein, others not. What I am seeing, is the more fruit added to the diet, the better off.
He just had it out for a dietary suggestion that wasn't working for him. And, ironically uses the same zealot argumentation and extremism with no regard for measure or reflection. "regeneration has skyrocketed. I do not need a study to show me that..."
Dairy digestive issues are actually not that profound in the RP community -- Danny, Jay, and Mike, have said many a time that dairy can be the last thing one gets to digesting correctly - not an indictment of dairy, but of low bile acid, slow transit time, and deep bacterial infections that don't go away with a 2 week course of antibiotics... my dairy consumption was bad, now it's not.
I actually want to bring this up because I think my observation of dairy digestive issues was way to underrated on the forum, as everyone was hopping on the anti-VA fad.
Basically, I believe the high levels of methionine in milk, can be problematic when one is severely hypo. Here's my post on it in RPF a few years ago:
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@LetTheRedeemed It wouldn't surprise me if he was a Garret Smith lapdog for the same length of time that Blossom has been doing "low vitamin A." After all, they've been completely in lockstep with zero crosstalk suggesting back-channel discussions. This is pushed further by Charlie going apeshit when others would simply observe that new members, sometimes self-proclaimed, were a friend of Charlie's whether online or IRL. For some reason it's a sensitive issue for him to be a human that has discussion groups not on the forum.
Also the simple trend of Charlie's only ways of participating in topics before this whole descent into madness: he would rarely do anything except ask for a human dosage from a study or what product a user was using.
More to the point, I haven't looked at methionine in awhile but speaking for myself I had to be on thyroid for a couple years before food with vitamin A wouldn't make me feel like passing out. Consequentially, I tried with supplemental vitamin A and had the same reaction, so it could very well be a double whammy of methionine and vitamin A; I don't discount your idea.
Though as you mention, how relevant is it for real life? That would be the question. Reminds me of haidut's thread about using BCAAs to deplete serotonin. Something like that to compete with methionine is probably the best bet. Heck, it'll help anyway so probably worth it for those who feel like they're out of options.
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I’ve never had issues with dairy, of any sort, but I am also White….
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Yeah. It feels like there is more to the story we may never know fully…
More to the point, I haven't looked at methionine in awhile but speaking for myself I had to be on thyroid for a couple years before food with vitamin A wouldn't make me feel like passing out. Consequentially, I tried with supplemental vitamin A and had the same reaction.
I definitely don’t doubt at all that vitamin A is a problem for typical hypo people.
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@RawGoatMilk88 Ray showed how lactose intolerance is not ethnic, but dietary. Every human consumes way more lactose than is present in an animal — via human breast milk while nursing. But, continued dairy consumption is almost exclusive to Europeans and middle easterners with few exceptions.
But again, Ray showed cases of African Americans regaining lactose tolerance and regular milk consumption after titrated increase of milk consumption over the course of weeks.
I definitely had issues with dairy, while I’m the whitest person I know — redheaded and all
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That’s right, it’s a genetic mutation called lactase persistence, most north Western Europeans have the mutation because of our long history of dairy consumption.
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@RawGoatMilk88 according to Ray’s assessment, this is reversible in black children taking a thimble full of milk with each meal for 3 weeks.
Curiously, I lost my lactose digestion capability, and had to start with slowed consumption, until I could consume a gallon of skim milk a day.
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I believe it, our bodies are very adaptable and resilient.
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@LetTheRedeemed
He was a self proclaimed fruitarian. Now as most other US folks that live in a northerly climate know, it's hard getting quality ripe fruit most of the year. It won't even ripen properly on the table, it goes from sour to dull flavorless pseudo-ripe then to rotten. Your quality options are much more limited than even a vegetarian's. I noticed his mention of juice consumption, as a filler substitute presumably, and again quality products are few along with additives and varying degrees of contamination. For people living in these circumstances, especially with pre-existing conditions, this likely isn't the road to health.As for milk, and to state the obvious, it can be a complicated topic. It takes long to digest, requires a "decently" operating digestive system, and low quality products can make things worse.
Abstain from milk for a decent amount of time and you'll lose the ability to digest it. It must be introduced slowly, as @LetTheRedeemed said, it must be titrated up. It supposedly works for the Chinese, who are becoming avid drinkers. There may be some genetic component involved ala lactase persistence but other folks seem to be adapting in other ways. There are certain times when milk needs to be put to the side though, till other issues have been resolved or the meds have been finished.
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"it is all so simple"
Interesting.
Good spot. Thanks.
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@RawGoatMilk88 right?
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@BioEclectic agreed
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@ThinPicking said in Charlie hatin Dairy was a trend prior to anti-VA fad:
"it is all so simple"
”I walk alone”
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I think it really depends on the dairy that you buy. If it is fortified with vitamins, A1, ultrahomogenised, etc etc then even some very healthy people may have digestive issues with it.
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@tubert agreed
