What is the most effective protocol for young men to looksmax?
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@Norwegian-Mugabe Live healthy with a relationship with nature and friends/family, but also you need a holistic understanding of how the world works and I mean transcending jaded cynicism and recovering some energy to work within and/or beyond the present systems. This kind of intellectual/spiritual vision is necessary so you don't get depressed from wage labour rate race earning a living and forget what life otherwise is outside of a tunnel vision stressed state reduced to a cog.
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@ThinPicking Young men are up against enormous problems and yet also have enormous 'revolutionary potential' when not atomized and made demoralized apathetic demotivated and worried about the wrong things like "looksmaxxing".
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The question was how to looksmax. Lifting weights and getting lean is the most effective method.
Obviously, from a mental standpoint, do not base your worth on what others think about you.
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@Mallard6146 But to be fair, what's the typical purpose young men have in looksmaxxing? Its for sexual success, right? "Marginal improvement in appearance" is a much less important factor than overcoming autistic social behaviors.
Looksmaxx ideally should be at a minimal level of investment. If we can make young people more serious minded about things that matter, and give concrete help towards it, rather than have them become obsessive about their grooming and posture there would be more progress in bioenergetics.
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Do some sprinting (short).
And listen to @jwayne.
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Lifting weight is extremely healthy if you do not keep the volume too high, and consume enough sugars.
Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.
Ignore, judge, overcommit.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe said in What is the most effective protocol for young men to looksmax?:
Lifting weight is extremely healthy if you do not keep the volume too high, and consume enough sugars.
It isn't, and often exaggerating with terms like "extremely" isn't healthy either.
Thrive for the highest degree of energy
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Non @Truth your take is extremely erroneous.
Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.
Ignore, judge, overcommit.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe said in What is the most effective protocol for young men to looksmax?:
Non @Truth your take is extremely erroneous.
The majority of people who live a hunter-gatherer or pastoralist like lifestyle and who are in excellent health, don't do bodybuilding, and a good proportion don't make intense, sustained muscular effort most of the time. A good proportion of animals don't lift weights, and a good proportion rarely make intense, continuous muscular efforts, and yet they are in excellent health.
Bodybuilding is by no means necessarily for optimal health, and it's not extremely healthy; good health can contribute to making movement and/or competition more enjoyable, that's all.
If a person has no energy from eating and doing things that amuse them, bodybuilding is just an extra depletion that limits them even more.
Thrive for the highest degree of energy
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@Truth I was watching bodybuilding transformation videos yesterday and it certainly looks like they put a lot of stress on to the body. Seems very nutrient demanding if you go hard with it. Muscles, testosterone, lifting weights is all health has been reduced down to for men. That's why all of the influencers go for the TRT look. Everything else doesn't really fall into what the average men is looking for, though highly important.
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@jwayne said in What is the most effective protocol for young men to looksmax?:
Young men are up against enormous problems
I know, I remember, and it hurts. I just don't mind that it does.
@jwayne said in What is the most effective protocol for young men to looksmax?:
yet also have enormous 'revolutionary potential' when not atomized and made demoralized apathetic demotivated and worried about the wrong things like "looksmaxxing".
To me JW, 'revolutionary potential' is as much a 'wrong thing' as 'looksmaxxing'. Unless someone wants them walking in circles.
@jwayne said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:
@noodlecat59 No worries, it's not my creation. I'm just longtime active writer there. It's been invite only for 5 years and now they decided to open it up a bit.
Interesting. They seem to like it over at r/Ascetus.
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@jwayne
I wouldn’t call building a good body a marginal change in appearance. Neither would I say that constitutes an obsession (though it certainly can go that far).
Changing autistic social behaviors is good, but their goal will still be sexual success, no?
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I may have missed it but i see no mention of Vit-K. By that i mean the MK4 and MK7 varieties.
It may make a greater difference for the younger who are still growing, and possibly those who have just stopped growing like young men in their early 20's.
But to be fair i have no idea if it really works but there was plenty of discussion about it in the other forum. One suggested search term would be "vitamin K jawline" and you'll find some of the threads i'm referring to.
There was also talk of Glycine (or was it gelatin?) possibly making folks taller, not sure if it was actual growth or simply spacing the vertebra more optimally. But depending on age it may be a bit of both.
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a k2 supplement may help
"A few years ago I increased K2 intake (although not that radically) and noticed my face, particularly jawbone, looked wider." (RPF post)
other posters have mentioned this too, and also skin glowing effects. some say the effect on the jaw is ugly though
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Now unless the following falls under mewing, i also see no mention of nosebreathing, a bioenergetics basic.
Not only is it much healthier for you to breathe through your nose, but you won't disfigure your face in doing so.
Do an image search for mouthbreather jaw and you'll see what i'm talking about. It's a disfigurement i've come to recognize, and i used to think that people were born like that. I haven't researched it much but i think it may be reversible to a degree.
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@BioEclectic I would say the biggest changes to my face have been in part nose breathing and chin tucking (on the latter, look up proper mewing methods and don’t do it as it sounds because Neck posture problems can be exacerbated and results ineffective)
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@ThinPicking Re: "Revolutionary Potential"
It means the awakening of one's innate intelligence, which brings confidence and self-directed learning/exploration with it. Its one of the ends of what education should be rather than the docility training of mass schooling. All social movements depend upon re-education initiatives, like teach-ins, or like discussing bioenergetic views in opposition to big pharma sick care industry.
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@Mallard6146 Building a good body is, of course, a worthy goal.
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Ah ok, thank you for clarifying on my assumptions JWayne.
Yea it took me a long time and a lot of trauma to snap out of all that, go round again, and start finding tangent.
