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      S.Holmes @evan.hinkle
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      @evan-hinkle Oh well, I'm sure it's an amazing treehouse.

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        tubert @Peatful
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        @Peatful Could you please explain how you incorporated high quantities of sucrose into your diet? Thanks

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          S.Holmes @S.Holmes
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          @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

          @Peatful Could you expound on "rough"? I had a very strange burning pain from my neck to the bottom of my ribs yesterday (right side). I put an aspirin under my tongue and took a homeopathic remedy to treat stroke, just in case. It lasted about 15 minutes and then I was fine.

          If not for Dr.Peat I wouldn't have given the sucrose protocol a second look. I think he saved my life, but I still have lingering issues, and weight gain which is difficult because I was very thin my entire life. So I'm willing to try anything to feel better. I've been on Nathan Hatch's protocol for a few months, and it was helpful but still didn't quite get me "there." (I still use some of the things he suggests.)

          Apologies...I meant glucose protocol, not sucrose.

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            Peatful @tubert
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            @tubert said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

            @Peatful Could you please explain how you incorporated high quantities of sucrose into your diet? Thanks

            Hey there, this is voice recognition.

            I would love to help out
            But context is so important around any health data in my opinion

            So rather than me, spitting out a bunch of information
            Do you wanna just tell me kind of where you’re at or what specifically are you looking to heal?

            Dietary history here is paramount as well as just where your health lands today

            The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

            SD

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              Peatful @S.Holmes
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              @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

              @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

              @Peatful Could you expound on "rough"? I had a very strange burning pain from my neck to the bottom of my ribs yesterday (right side). I put an aspirin under my tongue and took a homeopathic remedy to treat stroke, just in case. It lasted about 15 minutes and then I was fine.

              If not for Dr.Peat I wouldn't have given the sucrose protocol a second look. I think he saved my life, but I still have lingering issues, and weight gain which is difficult because I was very thin my entire life. So I'm willing to try anything to feel better. I've been on Nathan Hatch's protocol for a few months, and it was helpful but still didn't quite get me "there." (I still use some of the things he suggests.)

              Apologies...I meant glucose protocol, not sucrose.

              Hey
              All sugars turn into glucose in our body
              Lactose, dextrose, sucrose etc

              Yes?

              The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

              SD

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                S.Holmes @Peatful
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                @Peatful The gist of the protocol is to skip all of the various conversions and provide glucose directly to the brain.

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                  Peatful @S.Holmes
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                  @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                  @Peatful The gist of the protocol is to skip all of the various conversions and provide glucose directly to the brain.

                  “Protocol”
                  Please note

                  There is nothing new under the sun

                  Although I haven’t read nor watched this guy
                  This is just “marketing”

                  The title of the thread is: Glucose loading cures everything?

                  All sugars turn into glucose
                  Nothing magical about dextrose as far as I understand Peat

                  The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                  SD

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                    S.Holmes @S.Holmes
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                    @S-Holmes I love that those little Smarties candies are made with 100% dextrose/glucose. 1 roll contains 6 or 7 grams of dextrose. Someone named them appropriately it seems. I bought some in bulk from Amazon. My little grandbabies are always getting bumps and bruises out here on our farm so Smarties (and Arnica montana) to the rescue! 😁

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                      Peatful @S.Holmes
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                      @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                      @S-Holmes I love that those little Smarties candies are made with 100% dextrose/glucose. 1 roll contains 6 or 7 grams of dextrose. Someone named them appropriately it seems. I bought some in bulk from Amazon. My little grandbabies are always getting bumps and bruises out here on our farm so Smarties (and Arnica montana) to the rescue! 😁

                      This is great
                      Load up and enjoy
                      Unless they are loaded with citric acid

                      For reference
                      Just in case

                      https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/manufactured-citric-acid-is-a-powerful-inflammatory-allergy-agent.41954/

                      The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                      SD

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                        S.Holmes @S.Holmes
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                        @Peatful You'll need to go back and check out some of the links. There is definitely a difference.

                        Georgi posted a study, which I believe I shared the link to in this thread, about glucose being used therapeutically in ALS. Why do mostly athletes develop ALS? Traumatic brain injuries are the likely cause. But Dr. Stephens says even milder bumps on the head that aren't obviously concussive will cause irreversible (via normal healing mechanisms) glucose limiting effects on the brain. Pure dextrose seems to be healing these brain injuries.

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                          Peatful @S.Holmes
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                          @S-Holmes

                          This?

                          https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/high-sugar-diet-prolongs-survival-in-als-patients.3301/

                          A high SUGAR diet
                          And thar happens to be dextrose?

                          It’s about sugar
                          Not dextrose per say as far as I understand

                          Experiment
                          Have fun
                          Enjoy the journey

                          The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                          SD

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                            S.Holmes @Peatful
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                            @Peatful

                            "A 2019 study from the University of Arizona found that increasing GLUCOSE DELIVERY to motor neurons affected by amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) may help patients live longer and function better. ALS is a progressive neurodegenerative disease that causes increased metabolic activity, known as hypermetabolism. When ALS-affected neurons are given more GLUCOSE, they can convert it into energy to meet their abnormally high energy demands. This may help improve mobility and increase survival rates.
                            Other research suggests that a higher GLUCOSE-based diet may also help slow ALS progression by preventing protein misfolding. Misfolded proteins can accumulate in the brains of ALS patients, which may contribute to disease progression."

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                              Peatful @S.Holmes
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                              @S-Holmes mm-hmm

                              The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                              SD

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                                yerrag @Peatful
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                                @Peatful

                                I don't think sucrose turns into glucose. Half of sucrose is glucose. Half of it is fructose. Both are metabolized. There are other sugars out there like lactose. It is also metabolized. But there are some that aren't.

                                Ray has spoken highly n earlier articles of fructose. In the way that it is more easily absorbed and metabolized. So clearly, it does not turn into glucose as you would say it does.

                                Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                  S.Holmes @yerrag
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                                  @yerrag
                                  "Data from the present study show that ∼90% of dietary fructose is converted into glucose and other metabolites, such as lactate and glycerate, by the small intestine before it reaches the liver. Feb 23, 2018"

                                  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6032988/

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                                    Peatful @yerrag
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                                    @yerrag said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                    @Peatful

                                    I don't think sucrose turns into glucose. Half of sucrose is glucose. Half of it is fructose. Both are metabolized. There are other sugars out there like lactose. It is also metabolized. But there are some that aren't.

                                    Ray has spoken highly n earlier articles of fructose. In the way that it is more easily absorbed and metabolized. So clearly, it does not turn into glucose as you would say it does.

                                    Yes

                                    Im not talking about the processing

                                    Fructose differs in structure etc from lactose obviously
                                    Etc etc etc

                                    Im saying
                                    We drink fructose (once processed)
                                    “Oh. Glucose to our brain.”
                                    We drink lactose (once processed)
                                    “Oh. Glucose to our brain”

                                    But of course they have different properties
                                    They are two different “foods”

                                    Now
                                    This differs from starch vs sugar
                                    Although starchy carbs “turn to glucose”
                                    Very different

                                    The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                                    SD

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                                      Peatful
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                                      Just thought of something

                                      Im saying mono and disaccharides are the same once turned to glucose….
                                      Same energy per gram….

                                      Lactose.
                                      Fructose
                                      Sucrose
                                      Etc

                                      I stand corrected if im wrong here

                                      The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                                      SD

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                                        yerrag @Insomniac
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                                        @Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                        @yerrag said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                        How is the digestive process bypassed? I fail to see the logic. One way the digestive process is bypassed is by IV feeding. But I don't know if this is what you mean.

                                        This is my main issue with the whole concept. Stephens is claiming isolated dextrose has special properties however it raises glucose in the blood just like food does. So how can the glucose put there from corn sugar do something different from glucose put there from food or even an IV?
                                        I hear you. I would have to say dextrose has the same properties as glucose and that there is no difference I'm how the body metabolizes it, both being simple sugars and in the form of 100% glucose. So another mechanism is at work that disposes the body to more quickly metabolize dextrose.
                                        The only difference I can think of is the rate of glucose entry into the blood could be faster and have a greater concentration peak than could be achieved by food under ordinary conditions especially at higher doses of more than 200 grams people are spiking their glucose through the roof but at least it would be doing something different so you can consider a medicinal effect.

                                        If you're familiar with a blood sugar test that was widely available until the 90s (the 5hr oral glucose tolerance test, since replaced by the much less useful hokey pokey HbA1c), a 75gr bolus of glucose is taken after an overnight fast and blood sugar readings are taken every hour. This test was done under supervision because some people (with blood sugar regulation problems) could faint halfway through it because their blood sugar would drop so low.

                                        I ask myself how much more this fainting would happen if a 200g bolus were taken. Yet this risk in not even mentioned by Dr. Stephens. And I wonder why.

                                        It is as if no such event has ever occurred in Dr. Stephen's trials. It's as if all people, with a wide range of blood sugar regulation issues from none to extremely tending to become hypoglycemic (I was one before I fixed myself), are not liable to faint from hypoglycemia.

                                        So, I'm curious as to why. It's as if taking dextrose flips a switch that taking glucose wouldn't - that suddenly everything is hunky dory where very large dextrose intakes (akin to a flood of biblical proportions) would easily be absorbed and metabolized, with nary a problem.

                                        The only answer I could think of is that the body is equipped to handle a sudden deluge of glucose through the polyol pathway, which converts glucose to fructose, and makes possible the large absorption and metabolism of a sugar glucose possible thru its conversion to fructose.

                                        In addition, the body would be triggered to release insulin in large quantities which would inhibit lipolysis, which would clear the way for fatty acid oxidation to be suppressed (given fatty acids in blood would be depleted), paving the way for a high proportion of energy to be produced via mitochondrial oxidation.

                                        At the same time, the pancreas' beta cells would become fully functional with its stem cell exposed to glucose as its stem cells turn into functional beta cells that produce insulin.

                                        Altogether, this transforms the body from a moribund state of low or nonexistent sugar metabolism to a fully alive highly metabolic state over time during therapy. With the caveat that the body has enough stores of nutrients such as vitamin A, D, magnesium to accompany the higher metabolic state's use of more nutrients.

                                        But it is hard to conceive that no such groundwork has been considered and nutrients made available in the therapy, to ensure this transformation happens. And yet people are reporting blood sugar improvements such as that of @evan-hinkle 's blood sugar values.

                                        Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                        engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                        wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                        the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                          yerrag @Peatful
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                                          @Peatful

                                          But you're still insisting fructose and lactose turns into glucose before it reaches the brain. I don't know about lactose, but fructose does not have to turn intobglucose to be absorbed and metabolized.

                                          Unless I'm reading wrongly in Peat's early articles on fructose.

                                          Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                          engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                          wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                          the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                            Peatful @yerrag
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                                            @yerrag said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                            @Peatful

                                            But you're still insisting fructose and lactose turns into glucose before it reaches the brain. I don't know about lactose, but fructose does not have to turn intobglucose to be absorbed and metabolized.

                                            Unless I'm reading wrongly in Peat's early articles on fructose.

                                            From my understanding
                                            Mono (ie: fructose) and di (ie: lactose)
                                            Both are converted into glucose before reaching the brain

                                            Starches different story of course

                                            If dextrose is mono
                                            And it does differ from di
                                            Maybe that’s why it’s recommended by this guy?

                                            The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                                            SD

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