Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens (claims "shysterism")
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It's WAR! He starts right away and goes on for hours. It's a brutal, bloody, vicious attack.
episode 153: "DESTROYING the GLUCOSE/DEXTROSE powder FAD!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n19IyUk19MwFor people really short on time this link will start at the attack on Dr. Stephens character. He's essentially investigating the man and contacting his old clients while suggesting he's engaging in "shysterism." It only lasts a few minutes
https://youtu.be/n19IyUk19Mw?t=294He refers to people like Dr. Stephens as "short term shysters" later in the same stream:
https://youtu.be/n19IyUk19Mw?t=6350He called people making claims like Stephens "shysters" again about 2 weeks ago:
https://youtu.be/SSHuyAadnDQ?t=5115I think he keeps saying it because he's frustrated that nobody except me noticed
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Excellent thread title. I lol. Thank you
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@ThinPicking said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
Excellent thread title. I lol. Thank you
Thanks. It's breaking news. I wanted communicate the gravity of what's happening here in real time.
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Still, maybe there's a pathology linking both of these things. And they're just buying time and/or stability either way. So why not balance them if there's any truth in it. He might lighten up a bit with a spoon full of... glucose.
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@ThinPicking said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
Still, maybe there's a pathology linking both of these things. And they're just buying time and/or stability either way. So why not balance them if there's any truth in it. He might lighten up a bit with a spoon full of... glucose.
I don't want him to lighten up. I want Garrett to go to the home of Dr. Stephens and challenge him to a fist fight. I want drama!
I've never known an alternative health practitioner to attack another practitioner like this. I know he has a history of going after Ray Peat but this is much more intense. He's tempting a lawsuit and calling Stephens who is a practicing psychologist a fraud.
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lol
Beside the lol. A stark illustration of ego, in the absence of heart and humour. Perhaps.
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Lmao
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@Insomniac
Starch based diet side effects.I suggest some vitamin A and fructose rich watermelon for Mr Smith.
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@Razvan It's hard to take advice from someone who seems completely miserable. He follows his own advice and he's pissed off all the time.
Maybe his diet isn't working out and these are symptom of hypovitaminosis A. Seems reasonable
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I would ignore this bush fight. Nothing to see here. Go watch some reruns.
Just another dialectic to distract us from reading and learning something else.
Leave the viewershio of Fentanyl-doped to listen and be fascinated and to buy some merchandise off the online store.
Oh, and don't ask "What's in it for Garrett?He is as plainspoken and pickling' honest as a southern peanut farmer. "
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Imo the reason he's being so aggressive is in the title of his video. Garrett is trying to create a toxic vitamin A "FAD." This interloper Stephens is also trying to create a fad. He can see this guys fad is competing with his fad which takes money out of his pocket and that's what this is all about.
Regardless of what you think of Garrett, he's not dumb enough to make these claims if he doesn't believe they're true because he could get sued and by Dr. Stephens.
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3 plus hours?
How unwell.
How self serving.Not only is his clinical reasoning wrong again (allegedly- I have no time for such pathology)
But
This speaks to me how fragile he is emotionally and spirituallyStating your case on such a subject should take three minutes max
State facts
Move onConsuming such vitriol doesn’t point to wellness either imo….
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To Charlie's credit he posted Garrett's video and they are discussing it over at the raypeatforum. But it's very strange to me that nobody is discussing his claim that Dr. Stephens is fabricating a success rate for his treatment and then charging people $1000 to make it work but instead they're poking holes in Garrett's list of pubmed studies like it matters.
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@Insomniac said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
But it's very strange to me that nobody is discussing his claim that Dr. Stephens is fabricating a success rate for his treatment and then charging people $1000 to make it work but instead they're poking holes in Garrett's list of pubmed studies like it matters.
Look harder. It’s been discussed.
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@Jaffe said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
Look harder. It’s been discussed.
I just read through the thread for this video and there is no comment on this. They're debating Garrett's research dump
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@Insomniac said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
@Jaffe said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
Look harder. It’s been discussed.
I just read through the thread for this video and there is not yet a comment on this.
There’s like 40 threads on dextrose since the Thor Torrens interview, so comments are scattered all over the place.
The success rate has to do with people working directly with him. IIRC, “success” is being measured by a questionnaire dealing with mental symptoms. It’s explained in one of his presentations.
As for the price, understand he treats patients with what they can afford to pay. The $1000 is a recently increased price to help cover some of the costs the less fortunate can’t meet him at. So for example if you’re financially struggling and go to him complaining about lack of energy, helplessness, and experience suicidal thoughts, he won’t turn you away. Chalk it up to his religious devotion.
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@Jaffe That's fine. When someone finds the exchange we can correct the record but at this point I don't see anything. Eventually they will have a discussion about it and it's hard to believe they haven't but it's something that can happen in a censored environment.
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@Insomniac said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
@Jaffe That's fine. When someone finds the exchange we can correct the record but it has to be after this time point. Eventually they will have a discussion about it at the rpf and it's hard to believe they haven't but it's something that can happen in a censored environment.
If Stephens isn't credible than nothing he says has any meaning. Garrett says the doctor's a liar but the liar says he is not lying.
The reason this is very important is because people are doing the protocol completely based off this mans claims. God gave him the idea and he witnessed it work. His credibility is foundational.
If Garrett is defaming the guy then he should be punished. He's attacking the man's reputation and income. And actually Stephens would be the hero of the story if it's all true which would make it even worse. Garrett would be the villain protecting his interests instead of helping to heal the world.
You are giving too much credit to the kind Stephens.
Just because it was posted on the rpf recently
Doesn’t mean this is a new conceptAs I said in another thread
This is one of the (three) foundations to Peats workNot to mention
Peripheral IVs of glucose is standard treatment for the critically ill in the ERThis is old news that has been driven out by the indoctrination of the medical complex and the health gurus
Sugar was used to pack wounds in the war
What Stephens says (im assuming; I haven’t listened past ten minutes) is more based than Smith’s IMO; but nothing new to see hereAnd I do not agree with protocols of pills or tablets
But Stephens comes from that milieu
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@Peatful Why do you suppose Dr. Peat didn't discover the magical healing powers of pure dextrose powder? Hasn't it been in use experimentally for nearly 100 years? How could he have missed it? The biochemist missed it completely but the psychologist figured it out in his sleep.
For the last few decades Ray Peat has been telling people to eat real food and to prefer fruit over sugar and I have no doubt that RP would not! recommend anyone drink pure dextrose water for 6 months. He would say have some juice and more recently he would probably say lower your fat and protein.
He mentioned table sugar being used therapeutically from some old studies but I never heard him tell someone to eat large amounts over long periods of time and I'm sure he had considered the idea over his life.
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@Insomniac said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
@Peatful Why do you suppose Dr. Peat didn't discover the magical healing powers of pure dextrose powder? Hasn't it been in use experimentally for nearly 100 years? How could he have missed it? The biochemist missed it completely but the psychologist figured it out in his sleep.
For the last few decades Ray Peat has been telling people to eat real food and to prefer fruit over sugar and I have no doubt that RP would not! recommend anyone drink pure dextrose water for 6 months. He would say have some juice and more recently he would probably say lower your fat and protein.
Yes, I understand your questions
And agree with questioning drinking dextrose water over six months
But without listening myself to Stephens I have no contextI’m driving into work and this is voice recognition
I will be brief and/or cryptic
Peat was a sucrose guy, a sugar guy, a food guy
Simple and accessible to people
Example: putting 2 tablespoons of sugar in milk
Example: eating a pound of sugar over three days to “heal” the liver and thyroid
(I posted this clip in another thread)Despite all the supplement pushing on the forum and by allopathic and naturopathic medicines
Peat was very judicious with his use of supplements