Psychosis or derealisation
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I have been following quite a peaty diet for the last years, but I have recently noticed increased aggression and derealisation and memory loss in general. Has anyone else got experience with this.
Recently stopped eating eggs which greatly improved digestion and am now eating yoghurt with marmalade, sourdough sandwiches and coke frequently.
I keep up a good front at work and with most friends but recently it's gotten worse. I have extremely right wing political opinions and am a "frog" if that tells you anything.
Lots of glycine, L-theanine and collagen throughout day, organ meat (lamb liver) every now and then.
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@PeaterDinklage I had derealization for years and fortunately for the last year somehow I overcame it completely, but I have to be careful about my diet.
Derealization appears after:
2 or more consecutive days of starches rice potatoes
Too much milk
Bloating, indigestionInteresting that too much sugar, makes me sleep deep, I see everything 3D colorful, but I get more often depersonalized and aggresive (blood sugar). With less sugar, the world doesn't seem as vivid, but I'm fully personalized. I soft sleep 6 hours, I don't wake up tired but the body temp is a bit uncomfortable, feels like stress heat.
So the key here was to limit starch, once in 3 days and tablepoons of honey here and there during the dayIt helped also my full period of 10% fat diet over a year and 500g sugar from jam routine. And of course the king Aspirin.
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You mention psychosis, aggression, derealization, and memory loss. These are all associated strongly with depression. What I would recommend is get some basic blood work. Rule out thyroid issues, systemic inflammation, hormonal problems, low iron/ferritin, b12 deficiency. And look at liver enzymes and the other basics to see where they're at.
I'm not an expert and going by memory here, but a minimalist way of going about this would be something like
AST, ALT, hsCRP, ESR, CBC, CMP, lactic acid, TSH, total testosterone, prolactin, homocysteine, iron panel including ferritin.
Free testosterone maybe.Marek Diagnostics, Link2Labs, Life Extension are some places to order from. Biotin can interfere with test results so be careful with that.
Take the PQ-9, patient questionnaire #9. See where you stand.
Rule out sleep apnea by recording yourself sleep and or using a continuous oxygen monitor.
Many Peaty things will tend to boost mood in coincidence with improved metabolism.
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@PeaterDinklage Its a serotonergic fear based state (i had this at an extreme years ago as baseline of experience, so intense it would weirdly come in waves with nausea at its worst (serotonin also induces that), & it 80%+ eased over a few years with intentionally re-training my attention away from it to something else as a new habit, whenever my thoughts & awareness went to analysing that feeling, to prevent each trigger from sustaining for longer so it faded,
but now i would try approaching it with serotonin countering stuff as quicker more direct approach)i would try stopping the glycine & collagen and reducing the theanine and see if that helps.
an anecdote from last night, i added 2 new things so cant be sure it was the glycine, but in the past gelatin has made me anxious and feeling dodgy (excitatory in the brain),
yesterday was the first day on 6g glycine split into 1.5g stopping in the late afternoon, and last night in sleep i woke up in a loop inside my dreams over & over trying to wake myself up , just waking up in another level of dreaming until i finally got out. the last time i was lifting up a bed sheet to get my head out into the open and after a few times i actually woke up. and felt dissociation after waking. leftover serotonergic response to testing some lithium or the other herb might have made that worse, but also noticed glycine made my vivid dreaming in the past worse when i tried it before bed.
when i woke up i looked at the time and had only been "asleep" for less than an hour. glycine can lower thermogenesis and tsh response to cold so maybe not the best if hypo ( i am). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12633889/ glycine is inhibitory in some places but is excitatory in the brain. (maybe not enough to cause excitotoxicity in amounts found in brain). i'd test going off those 2 for a few weeks. and would avoid eating black pepper if u do. probably lower the theanine or take it away from sleep if the alpha waves interrupt slow wave (delta) sleep which is restorative
and would maybe test 150mg -300mg aspirin, @bigdeuce
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@PeaterDinklage said in Psychosis or derealisation:
keep up a good front
Please try not to do this, at least not absolutely. So you can maintain 'good front', but let them know you're doing it and why. Let them know what you're going through. In simple terms, because they probably are. At that point you can relax a bit more and their behaviour towards you becomes consequential. The vast majority of people don't bite when they understand. And the ones who do are only awaiting demise or adjustment, let them be.
@PeaterDinklage said in Psychosis or derealisation:
political opinions
Park them. Their motion is expensive. Park them. Return later.
@PeaterDinklage said in Psychosis or derealisation:
Lots of glycine, L-theanine and collagen throughout day
Do you drink a lot with or on top of this by any chance?
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Do you get any zinc in the form of oysters? I found myself experiencing VA toxicity symptoms when low on zinc and protein and was eating liver. I keep seeing time and again when reading that protein and zinc are essential for proper VA metabolism and get great reactions from just a small amount of oysters. When I'm low on zinc (or feel like I am) I get very strange symptoms similar to what you have mentioned. I have experimented with a zinc supplement but it seemed to have mixed results, food is always best.
If you are following a peat diet I assume you are getting plenty of carbs? I was doing this for so long and just didn't get enough carbs I was realising.
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@PeaterDinklage try a few grams of baking soda in water, helped me
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How much protein are you getting? Also, are you eating enough calories? Your diet may be oversimplified. I reduced my diet to milk and orange juice to try and lose weight earlier this year, and I ended up not getting enough calories in general but also robbing myself of key nutrients.
Off that now and feel good, and I eat a wide variety of low pufa foods.
