Glucose loading cures everything?
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@S-Holmes interesting. Are you looking into why the liver could be having trouble getting glucose from food? It's not too hard to get glucose from rice or fructose (most fruit sugars are 40% glucose already, and with a decent liver, converting fructose to glucose isn't too hard, no?).
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes interesting. Are you looking into why the liver could be having trouble getting glucose from food? It's not too hard to get glucose from rice or fructose (most fruit sugars are 40% glucose already, and with a decent liver, converting fructose to glucose isn't too hard, no?).
Stress, aging, illness, injuries are known as glucose limiting events, and they are cumulative. So not getting enough glucose from food is apparently common, and even more of a problem as we age. I can't explain how this happens, but eating a normal healthy diet, and even avoiding seed and nut oils for nearly 20 years, did nothing for my temperature (how I gauge my thyroid health).
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@S-Holmes I get it... sorry not trying to come across as grilling you
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes I get it... sorry not trying to come across as grilling you
No worries!
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I'm experiencing stomach upset with all this glucose. I did 25g X 4 yesterday. Any advice?
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I'm experiencing stomach upset with all this glucose. I did 25g X 4 yesterday. Any advice?
- Cut back a little and work up slowly. 2) Take homeopathic Nux vomica 30C or homeopathic Ipecac 30C as needed. 3) Mix it in carbonated water. 4) Have some food with your dose.
- Take smaller more frequent doses.
I sometimes need to do all of the above. I also take my doses in organic chocolate milk or lime/lemon water.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I'm experiencing stomach upset with all this glucose. I did 25g X 4 yesterday. Any advice?
- Cut back a little and work up slowly. 2) Take homeopathic Nux vomica 30C or homeopathic Ipecac 30C as needed. 3) Mix it in carbonated water. 4) Have some food with your dose.
- Take smaller more frequent doses.
I sometimes need to do all of the above. I also take my doses in organic chocolate milk or lime/lemon water.
There's a glitch in my reply. I tried to fix it but didn't work.
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@S-Holmes thank you!!!
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Just an update to chime in. Dextrose has absolutely been the most effective thing I’ve done for my overall wellbeing. I was one of those “it took everything in me each day not to pick a fight with everyone types” and this has resolved 100%. It’s gone, I’m incredibly resilient to stress, and it takes exponentially more stress to agitate me now. If this is all I gain, it’s life changing.
I seem to have better glycogen storage and can go without eating longer. I used to have to snack all day to keep stress at bay and especially to keep my temper in check.
Something I’d like to see change is my tinnitus, no change there…
How I’m doing it: I take relatively large doses at different intervals during the day and taper the doses into evening. For instance, I have 4 tablespoons in 8oz on coffee in the AM, then another 4 tablespoons in a second 8oz of coffee, (this is the extent of my coffee consumption-which again is life altering from the 6-10 cups I drank in the past). I then follow the two coffees with 16oz skim milk with another 4 tablespoons of dextrose. This is a typical “breakfast” if I hungry I may have a few slices of sourdough. So a total of 12 tablespoons that I “front-load” in the AM.
I then no longer need to snack between breakfast and lunch. At lunch I flex between solid food with a beverage with 4 tablespoons of dextrose, or a giant smoothie with 4 tablespoons.
I typically have a smoothie with 4 tablespoons of dextrose around 3pm. Sometimes I don’t feel like I need it.
At dinner I will either add 2-4 tablespoons to my meal, or drink a beverage afterwards with 2-4 tablespoons.
Somewhere before bed I’ll have a snack where I add 2 tablespoons.
On days where I lift weights, (3 days a week) I drink 16oz of a beverage with 8 tablespoons of dextrose, (I sip it between sets, and finish it when I complete the workout).
Recently I decided to take a break from all supplements and I feel pretty good. I may add some back in, but I didn’t lack energy or motivation, (I feel much more resilient).
As a total side note, I’ve looked into fruits with higher ratios of glucose to fructose and I’m finding these fruits to be much more digestible for me, (and I just seem to enjoy them more as well).
So I’m not sure where to go from here. I am sold, this, for me, seems to be a missing link. I always had the same repetitive pattern with bioenergetic substances, (work briefly, eventually stop, lead to constipation). Glucose eliminates the need to balance supplements to avoid that cycle. I would LOVE to eliminate tinnitus, but I’m not sure how much dextrose would be needed to do this. I know Dr Stephens says to up the dose until symptoms subside, but I think I’d like to speak directly to him or someone else before I start pounding more than 8 tablespoons in a single dose, (who knows, maybe I’ll feel confident at some point in the future to expiriment this way).
I think some of us simply don’t convert carbs into glucose, and at least for me, no volume of fruit, starch, or thyroid medicine closed that gap.
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@evan-hinkle said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Just an update to chime in. Dextrose has absolutely been the most effective thing I’ve done for my overall wellbeing. I was one of those “it took everything in me each day not to pick a fight with everyone types” and this has resolved 100%. It’s gone, I’m incredibly resilient to stress, and it takes exponentially more stress to agitate me now. If this is all I gain, it’s life changing.
I seem to have better glycogen storage and can go without eating longer. I used to have to snack all day to keep stress at bay and especially to keep my temper in check.
Something I’d like to see change is my tinnitus, no change there…
How I’m doing it: I take relatively large doses at different intervals during the day and taper the doses into evening. For instance, I have 4 tablespoons in 8oz on coffee in the AM, then another 4 tablespoons in a second 8oz of coffee, (this is the extent of my coffee consumption-which again is life altering from the 6-10 cups I drank in the past). I then follow the two coffees with 16oz skim milk with another 4 tablespoons of dextrose. This is a typical “breakfast” if I hungry I may have a few slices of sourdough. So a total of 12 tablespoons that I “front-load” in the AM.
I then no longer need to snack between breakfast and lunch. At lunch I flex between solid food with a beverage with 4 tablespoons of dextrose, or a giant smoothie with 4 tablespoons.
I typically have a smoothie with 4 tablespoons of dextrose around 3pm. Sometimes I don’t feel like I need it.
At dinner I will either add 2-4 tablespoons to my meal, or drink a beverage afterwards with 2-4 tablespoons.
Somewhere before bed I’ll have a snack where I add 2 tablespoons.
On days where I lift weights, (3 days a week) I drink 16oz of a beverage with 8 tablespoons of dextrose, (I sip it between sets, and finish it when I complete the workout).
Recently I decided to take a break from all supplements and I feel pretty good. I may add some back in, but I didn’t lack energy or motivation, (I feel much more resilient).
As a total side note, I’ve looked into fruits with higher ratios of glucose to fructose and I’m finding these fruits to be much more digestible for me, (and I just seem to enjoy them more as well).
So I’m not sure where to go from here. I am sold, this, for me, seems to be a missing link. I always had the same repetitive pattern with bioenergetic substances, (work briefly, eventually stop, lead to constipation). Glucose eliminates the need to balance supplements to avoid that cycle. I would LOVE to eliminate tinnitus, but I’m not sure how much dextrose would be needed to do this. I know Dr Stephens says to up the dose until symptoms subside, but I think I’d like to speak directly to him or someone else before I start pounding more than 8 tablespoons in a single dose, (who knows, maybe I’ll feel confident at some point in the future to expiriment this way).
I think some of us simply don’t convert carbs into glucose, and at least for me, no volume of fruit, starch, or thyroid medicine closed that gap.
Great report Evan! It does seem to work on our moods and attitudes before anything else.
I too still have tinnitus and since Dr Peat said it is caused by gut dysfunction, I've begun a gut protocol along with the glucose to hopefully speed things up. I take gelatin, modified citrus pectin, acacia fiber, metamucil, and bamboo silica activated with lemon (Nathan Hatch gut protocol). I'm also about to make soup stock and try to have some of that daily.
Also, avoiding foods with pesticides and herbicides (glyphosate) is important since these kill beneficial gut bacteria. I know Dr Peat recommended antibiotics to clean up the gut, but I think they can cause more serious problems down the road, so will take them only in an emergency.
Hope you will report back as you're able!
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Yeah, that is super good to hear.
What I found in my second or really third day is that my stomach doesn't bother me nearly as much and I'm actually consuming more than I was yesterday.
So I'm doing about 25 grams at a time, starting with morning coffee, then later in the morning, then around lunchtime, and then in the afternoon.
And I'm just going to keep doing this.
I am working to feel more healthy in the fall and the wintertime and perhaps be more headache-free.
So those are my goals here.
I'm not sure if I'm meeting the goals, but we'll see.
@evan-hinkle you may want to consider low dose naltrexone for tinnitus. Has helped a lot of folks. It has revolutionized my allergies (they are gone for the first time in my whole life) and made my gut (not my stomach) almost problem-free.
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@S-Holmes yeah, my approach has been gut health since before the Peat days, but the tinnitus is something I became aware of in the last few years, (given my state of existence was so poor i couldn’t perceive most of my health issues). I may have had it since playing football…
I used to fast for 3-5 days before I found Peat and that seemed to help most things, (but again, my awareness was so poor, I’m sure I did plenty harm too). I think I just robbed my body of the energy to exhibit symptoms of illness. I just don’t know how long I’ve had tinnitus is my main issue there. I will continue along though!
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@Ecstatic_Hamster I’ve looked at your threads on LDN, and felt it could be something for me. I’m concerned about the sleep disruptions though, (gotta get my sleep!). Thanks for the reminder, I will look at it from a tinnitus perspective.
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I just got a new bag of glucose, same brand, but it smells more perfumed. I don't use any kind of perfumed products so for me it's very strong, and the smell reminds me of perfumed soap. There's a similar aftertaste, but other than that I feel the same having it. Has anyone experienced this? I found some mentions of it when I googled, but I'm not sure it was pure glucose or other sweeteners.
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@gentlepotato said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I just got a new bag of glucose, same brand, but it smells more perfumed. I don't use any kind of perfumed products so for me it's very strong, and the smell reminds me of perfumed soap. There's a similar aftertaste, but other than that I feel the same having it. Has anyone experienced this? I found some mentions of it when I googled, but I'm not sure it was pure glucose or other sweeteners.
I bought a 50 lb bag of dextrose but it had a strange odor so didn't use it. I've had better luck with a couple of the brands in plastic containers, so I'm sticking with those.
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Nutricost is what I am using now, and it’s great. No odor at all.
My progress so far: I’m up to 30g X 4. Gained a few pounds which I’ll try to lose today and tomorrow, that has more to do with other factors I think. My temps are not really any different. I no longer have any stomach issue when I take my glucose.
I went on a fast walk up and down hills and when I returned my temps were really low, indicating a hypoglycemic episode. I’m sleeping well as usual.
I am feeling better than I usually do right now so far, fewer endotoxin symptoms, so that could be a good sign.
I’m just going to continue and see what happens.
My theory as to why this works:
I think this forces the body into sugar burning mode.
The lipolysis retreats. Ultimately you retrain your body to becoming a young sugar burner, which has many benefits in terms of raising CO2 levels and free radicals (protecting against cancer).
I think Dr. Stephens’ brain theory is sorta wrong, but they do call dementia type 3 diabetes. I think this dextrose works because without the fructose, it can efficiently stop excessive lipolysis and kickstart oxphos.
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@gentlepotato said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
it's very strong, and the smell reminds me of perfumed soap. There's a similar aftertaste
I had experienced and reported something similar already. You can try to keep the bag wide open for a few days (and put it into other containers) and see if some of those solvents dissipate. Some of them will. But as you can even taste them it's likely some (or all) will remain.
+1 on S.Holme's suggestion of not buying dextrose in cardboard boxes or paper bags anymore. (As also for many other foods' packagings, indeed) -
Thanks for your reports coming in, everyone.
@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I think Dr. Stephens’ brain theory is sorta wrong, but they do call dementia type 3 diabetes. I think this dextrose works because without the fructose, it can efficiently stop excessive lipolysis and kickstart oxphos.
I also reckon that ultimately a lot is going to be mediated through liver energy metabolism. Which, not least through biliary functioning, duodenal microbiome and barrier integrity and non-translocation of pathogens, toxins and LPS, is directly related to brain inflammation and functioning.
This brief little comment also stuck with me and I am now looking into extra CoQ10 and (tauro)ursodeoxycholicacid:
@LetTheRedeemed said in "Glucose Loading" protocol, a la Dr Stephens - A Critique:
Honestly, if one's liver function is so compromised they need to avoid fructose, [...]
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@CrumblingCookie said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Thanks for your reports coming in, everyone.
@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I think Dr. Stephens’ brain theory is sorta wrong, but they do call dementia type 3 diabetes. I think this dextrose works because without the fructose, it can efficiently stop excessive lipolysis and kickstart oxphos.
I also reckon that ultimately a lot is going to be mediated through liver energy metabolism. Which, not least through biliary functioning, duodenal microbiome and barrier integrity and non-translocation of pathogens, toxins and LPS, is directly related to brain inflammation and functioning.
This brief little comment also stuck with me and I am now looking into extra CoQ10 and (tauro)ursodeoxycholicacid:
@LetTheRedeemed said in "Glucose Loading" protocol, a la Dr Stephens - A Critique:
Honestly, if one's liver function is so compromised they need to avoid fructose, [...]
I wonder if the fructose (in fruit and sucrose) is why so many gain weight when they begin following Dr. Peat. I did.
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Thanks for the input about the glucose! It's in a plastic bag, and there's a noticeable difference between the two bags I got, where one smells way more. But I'll try to air them out and see what happens!
@Ecstatic_Hamster Thanks for sharing! I didn't know the names of the pathways, and had not had capacity to read up on it yet, but I've been thinking along the same lines. I don't remember if I already mentioned this, but I wonder if the liver will accumulate fat if it is prioritizing those pathways, since fat has more energy per gram, and as a side effect would not store as much glucose, which could exasperate the problem. I had a blood test show higher triglycerides (after the week I did high sucrose, before my glucose arrived) and I was thinking it was because the liver was releasing fat and making space for glycogen. I seem to have more glycogen stored now.