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      slawekb @A Former User
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      @RawGoatMilk88
      Hi
      Pulse 65 and temp 98
      Pulse can go up to 70 afternoon

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        slawekb @yerrag
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        @yerrag
        Thank you for sharing your story.
        Im not aware of any toxicity i might be affected by, but noticed i have slight drop in preassure when taking activated charcoal for few days.
        Could itt be endotoxins causing a chronic inflamation?.
        My urine is also foamy, frothy.

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          yerrag @A Former User
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          @A-Former-User said in Super High blood preassure:

          @yerrag

          How are you taking care of your periodontist? Antibiotics?

          After a long while the original periodontal microbiome in my internal system morphs and acts in a synergistic manner where it is hard to simply use an antibiotic to eliminate. It has bacteria and fungi of enough variety that it no longer can be the periodontal microbiome it began with. The only way is to use the diversity in nature to eliminate. I would use turpentine and essential oil blends, orally or via suppositories to weaken the infection to a point where they would become no different than commensal microbes. Antibiotic are simply unable to carry the task because the weakness of antibiotics is each is too specialized and don't have multiple pathways to destroy various microbes. I have even on occasion spurned the use of Ciprofloxacin despite the insistence of my doctor who views Cipro as the only oral antibiotic that the suspected bacteria is sensitive to, and the infection was as good as good when I use a blend of antimicrobial essential oils.

          And how are you taking care of the lead toxicity? Modified citrus pectin?

          I've got on hand an effective chelator developed by Boys Haley, called Emeramide. But since the first time I used it landed me in the ER and ICU, I am waiting for the right time to use it. The stress of healing using it requires the rest of my body to be robust to be able to take the stress of healing.

          Right now, I have to help my body recycle a large load of dead red blood blood cells that have to be cleared out of my system. As the heme is being broken down by heme oxygenase, the carbon monoxide and iron released act as stressors that make it hard to fully recover. I experience Parkinsonian symptoms, difficulty breathing occasionally due to the tendency for my lungs to take in water, and my immune system is continually engaged in getting rid of free iron. It is something I know doctors cannot help me with. They can only rescue me from death bur can only at best restore me to 50% with the news to be people's up by prescription drugs. Only my use of Peat's research allows me the ability to restore fully my health.

          Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
          engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
          wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
          the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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            yerrag @slawekb
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            @slawekb said in Super High blood preassure:

            @yerrag
            Thank you for sharing your story.
            Im not aware of any toxicity i might be affected by, but noticed i have slight drop in preassure when taking activated charcoal for few days.
            Could itt be endotoxins causing a chronic inflamation?.
            My urine is also foamy, frothy.

            Hypertension has way too many causes. A contextual approach will allow one to find the root cause or causes. But doctors are unqualified to cure one of it. Doctors can only manage the symptoms, and doing so will lead only to iatrogenic worsening of health.

            Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
            engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
            wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
            the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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              serotoninskeptic @slawekb
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              @slawekb Seems like your problem is with utilizing carbs properly. Maybe try caffeine + K2, aspirin, b vitamins (specifically thiamine or niacinamide) thyroid (t3) all things that can supercharge your glycogen stores and ability to oxidize sugar.

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                yerrag @slawekb
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                @slawekb said in Super High blood preassure:

                @yerrag
                Thank you for sharing your story.
                Im not aware of any toxicity i might be affected by, but noticed i have slight drop in preassure when taking activated charcoal for few days.
                Could itt be endotoxins causing a chronic inflamation?.
                My urine is also foamy, frothy.

                If you have gut issues, it has an effect on your brain. As the gut is called our second brain for a food reason. I think that the effect of serotonin has a lot to do with that. Ray says that the gut is the largest source of serotonin while the lungs is the main way we get rid or deactivate serotonin.

                Gut health and lung health have large effects on our well-being, especially when it comes to having good sleep.

                So it somehow explains your experience with using AC, though AC is not something we should use too often as it takes a lot of nutrients from the gut and gets them excreted.

                I recently, in the last few days, discovered that sleeping with red light makes the mitochondria more efficient. I think that not only does our production of energy become more efficient, but that its production of ROS is more potent.

                I urinate less and the urine is much less foamy. This, I believe, has to do with our phagocytes, in neutrophils and in macrophages being more focused and precise in killing pathogens and in eating up toxins, and leaving a lot less spillover ROS. Spillover ROS is messy and harmful, and eats away our tissues. But the body has antioxidants that neutralize this oxidative stress. Albumin seems to me the main antioxidant involved and accounts for most of the foam I see in urine. With less spillover ROS to deal with, less albumin is oxidized and less foam is produced. More albumin is this retained in blood, and this allows more water to be attracted to the salt that albumin attracts, and with more water in our blood, blood has more volume. Blood pressure becomes lower as blood volume increases toward normality.

                It goes without saying that with higher metabolism, our immunity is enhanced as the ROS the mitochondria produces is more potent.

                Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                  jorda11
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                  Also dealing with very high blood pressure, around 180/120
                  dont know the cause , but I did notice that vitamin d3 4000iu a day
                  pushed it up to 220/150 once
                  and when I quit the d3 it lowered back to 180/120 after 2 weeks or so

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                    yerrag @jorda11
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                    @jorda11 said in Super High blood preassure:

                    Also dealing with very high blood pressure, around 180/120
                    dont know the cause , but I did notice that vitamin d3 4000iu a day
                    pushed it up to 220/150 once
                    and when I quit the d3 it lowered back to 180/120 after 2 weeks or so

                    It may be seen as a negative with the blood pressure increasing, but when a deficiency is addressed, such as may be the case with taking vitamin, metabolism may improve, and with that more demand for the substrates oxygen and sugar would be met by increased circulation. This would require higher blood pressure.

                    This is the case also when methylene blue is used to improve metabolism

                    Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                    engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                    wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                    the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                      slawekb @serotoninskeptic
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                      @Serotoninskeptic
                      Interesting.
                      Thank you for your comments.

                      How bp correlates with sugar utilization?
                      Im trying to understand the mechanism.

                      Btw
                      Once i added simple sugars to my diet, i lost a lot of body fat and had more energy
                      But my blood preassure did not improve, actually increased a lot. And with this frequent urination i feel thirsty most all the time.

                      My blood sugar is fine, my thyroid , based on tsh levels is apparently fine too.....my doc doesnt seem to know whats the cause except "everything is genetic" and tries to drug me up.

                      Im trying to figure out root cause and at the moment thinking of focusing on thyroid and gut health.

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                        slawekb @yerrag
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                        @yerrag
                        What are your thoughts on supplementing albumin?

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                          slawekb @jorda11
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                          @jorda11
                          How do you feel at 180/120?

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                            yerrag @slawekb
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                            @slawekb I think it's better to have your liver healthy and supply yourself with enough protein and sulfur so it continues to make albumin. Egg white has albumin but I personally don't think it makes much difference in helping me lower BP.

                            Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                            engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                            wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                            the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                              jorda11 @slawekb
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                              @slawekb i do suffer from some headaches
                              if the BP goes higher i feel pressure in my nose and head

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                                jorda11 @yerrag
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                                @yerrag hmm interesting, i was thinking my calcium levels might have been to high from the d3

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                                  A Former User @jorda11
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                                  mag, potassium, vitamin e.

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                                    slawekb @jorda11
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                                    @jorda11
                                    I feel a preassure around my neck, right where thyroid is...almost as if someone is trying to choke me...gently 🙂

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                                      yerrag @jorda11
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                                      @jorda11

                                      how would taking D3 in excess cause calcium levels to go high? It's only activated D3 in the form of calcitriol that would case PTH to be high enough to trigger osteoclastic activity, where calcium is leeched from bones to increase serum calcium.

                                      even if you took plenty of calcium, it would end up building bone structure when the ratio of extracellular calcium to cellular calcium exceeds an optimal ratio of 15000, but if you're hypothyroid all bets are off. More calcium would end up in the cells and over time this would lead to internal calcification and fibrosis. With tissues and organs stiffened and shrinking, it would easily cause high blood pressure. But hypertension is always a result, or effect of a larger cause. Hypertension is never a primary cause, but a secondary one. But our doctors never got the memo, because there is none.

                                      Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                      engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                      wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                      the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                        slawekb @A Former User
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                                        @sneedful

                                        Ive tried mag and potassium but no improvement

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                                          yerrag @slawekb
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                                          @slawekb

                                          If you're not into finding root causes and just merely drown yourself in a smorgasbord of substances, you won't go anywhere.

                                          Since doctors are not trained to troubleshoot, and if you don't do it yourself, the default solution is to take prescription drugs.

                                          It's a tall order, which is why I've never found a doctor, conventional or wholistic, who knows how to go about it.

                                          I do it against all odds, but glad for reading Ray Peat and complementing his ideas with those outside bioenergetics, I get some sort of mishmash or fusion going in an admittedly amateurish fashion by connecting the dots myself. But it's tedious. It's paying off in the better understanding I have now, even though I am heavily dependent on my n=1. As it has been a solo flight. Working as a collaboration is harder as synergistic minds don't exist in a world filled with myths and made up of imaginary gremlins and banshees written by ghost writers in medical texts.

                                          Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                          engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                          wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                          the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                            sweetpeat @slawekb
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                                            @slawekb Have you tried taurine? I have personally found it helpful. (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2586397/)

                                            Other things to consider (the following are from my notes from the other forum):

                                            Thyroid, aspirin, vitamin K, vitamin C, taurine, hawthorn RPF, Vitamin e, chondroitin sulfate

                                            Studies have shown 580mg of ubiquinol/day increased ejection fraction up to 77%. Here's one study I was able to find quickly: (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19096107/)Ubiquinol worked where equal doses of CoQ10 didn't. Dr. Peat says Vitamins K2 and E work at the CoQ10 site to enhance the effects of CoQ10.

                                            Taurine, Vitamin K2, Magnesium are essential for blood pressure control and vascular health. These three can easily replace hypertension drugs.

                                            T3-T4, Inosine, COQ10, Calcium are safest positive inotropic agents. Meaning that they all strengthen the force of the heartbeat without causing tachycardia.

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