Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable

Samyo

@LucH said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

ctive to histamine.
If so, the kind of probiotics you take are not adapted. You have first to calm down, moderate the population / eradicate the phyla that have nothing to do where they are (2nd part of the colon), and afterwards to occupy the place.
Note: 1. You should get informed on how evacuate LPS toxins. 2. How to calm down histamine (not only H3 but L3) (L3 stands for high level of liberation

Is it possible A1 cows milk can increase histamine?

LucH

@Samyo said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

Is it possible A1 cows milk can increase histamine?

As you probably know, A2 milk is more digestible than the A1 sort.
Milk is not classified as H or L for histamine but - according to my source - milk could be problematic when the intestine walls (mucosa) are inflamed. it complicates the digestion and makes the assimilation difficult since our enzymes aren't well adapted to digest casein.
So first calm down, than reintroduce milk but in moderate amount since our lactase enzymes are also limited.
H2 for other sort of raw milks. When pasteurized or UHT, it's easier for cow milk.
Listen to your body sensations. Make pauses.

Samyo

@LucH But whats causing my intestines to be inflammed? A1 pastursied homogenised cows Milk is the biggest staple in my diet

LucH

@Samyo said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

But whats causing my intestines to be inflammed?

The question is not what has made the trouble but why?
You won't be able to tolerate things now but you could well on a balanced metabolism.
Of course if you suffer from leaky gut, first thing is to see how you can calm down : to eradicate or to dampen. + Learn how to evacuate LPS endotoxins. With pauses to recover energy.
See posts how to deal with SIBO/SIFO.
Read the posts of Mostlylurking for communication between the brain and the digestive system.

Thiamin brain and gut function
See B1 > Overton too.
Bioenergetics Discussion > Thyroid Energy
Not a medical Advice > Thyroid supplements leading to lack of drive & deteriorating energy
Post of Amizon member – 21/04/24

Excerpt from https://bioenergetic.forum/category/11/not-medical-advice >
Post Title: High-dose thiamine troubleshooting (Amizon)
Gut motility and its control
Smooth muscle cells in the GI tract are bundled together and are linked by gap junctions that allow the flow of electrical signals between the cells, allowing them to contract as a functional syncytium. Control of the muscles, and thus gut motility, is complex and is co-ordinated by the autonomic nervous system, hormones and other mechanisms intrinsic to the GI tract. In this way, the GI tract is able to respond to changes in the luminal environment caused by food intake.

Central nervous control of the MMC
Currently, there is no doubt that the nervous control of the MMC is crucial for its initiation and modulation. It comprises the evident neural responses due to neuromediator’s action and interplay among NANC-related central and peripheral modulators as well as the hormones (principally peptide hormones) [3, 4]. Central nervous control of the stomach and small intestine comprises mainly the effects mediated by extrinsic innervation of these regions, i.e. vagal and sympathetic nerve-related influences (Fig. 1). These actions mediated by the efferent nerves occur as the response to central effects and peripheral (afferent) stimuli from the gastrointestinal tract. One of the incompletely resolved questions is: what is the precise role of the central effects vs. the peripheral nervous influences in the control of the MMC cycle? There is increasing knowledge focusing on the role of the central nervous system in the control of the MMC that comprises the scientific evidence derived from physiological, pharmacological, surgical and clinical experiments and observations.

How Can Something As Simple as Thiamine Cause So Many Problems?
Excerpt 1
"The lower part of the brain, called the brainstem, is a like computer, controlling the most basic aspects of survival, from breathing and heart rate, hunger and satiety, to fight or flight and reproduction. This computer-like function within the brainstem is called the autonomic system (ANS). The ANS together with the limbic system act in concert to regulate our most basic survival functions and behaviors. Both require thiamine to function."

Excerpt 2:
Thiamine is a catalyzer. See B1 as the spark that ignite combustion of fuel (in a fuel motor). Food is the fuel. Our brain computers rely completely on oxidative metabolism represented simply thus: Fuel (food) + Oxygen + Catalyst (thiamin) = Energy (ATP).
Each of our one hundred trillion body/brain cells is kept alive and functioning because of this reaction. It all takes place in micro “fireplaces” known as mitochondria.

Here's a video from EONutrition (1:08:59):
Is Thiamine Deficiency Destroying Your Digestive Health? Why B1 Is ESSENTIAL For Gut Function
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi0O_fzczYA
In the presentation, the author explains why vitamin B1 (thiamine) is absolutely essential for a healthy gut. This deficiency often gets overlooked, and it is likely a LOT more common than many believe. Thiamine is necessary for the health of the autonomic nervous system, which is responsible for:

Gut motility
Stomach acid, bile, and digestive enzyme secretion
Preventing/modulating gut permeability
A deficiency in this key nutrient can lead to all of the symptoms associated with individual gut-related disorder including IBS and SIBO.
Video 50.18: Connecting the dots (in presence of intestinal dysfunction & leaky gut)

Here is a list of articles found by searching for "histamine" on hormonesmatter.com.
https://www.hormonesmatter.com/?s=histamine

Samyo

@LucH B1 didnt do anything for me, even at 1.5g a day, i have no issues with being high energy, i dont have cold extremities

Samyo

@LucH said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

irst thing is to see how you can calm down : to eradicate or to dampen. + Learn how to evacuate LPS endotoxins

First thing is to see how you can calm down : to eradicate or to dampen. + Learn how to evacuate LPS endotoxins"

Only way i calm down my rashes is removing fiber, and becoming constipated the opposite way is, regular bowels with rashes on my skin I've attempted both ways nearly for 3 years now

you probably have a post infectious issue with the high ferritin and gut issues.

This post is deleted!

Samyo

@sneedful How would u fix that if that was the case?

Samyo

@sneedful "For example, Bilophila wadsworthia, which increases with meat consumption, appears to link dietary fat, bile acids, and GI inflammatory responses. B. wadsworthia was found to grow well upon bile acids and to express sulfite reductases that produce the GI irritant H2S."

Ive been eating a bit of meat recently.. my armpits smell of sulphur like, after meat and eggs...

"Bilophila wadsworthia is a gut bacteria that has a complex role in health and disease, and produces hydrogen sulfide in our gut."

@Samyo if you dont have sulphur farts its probably not that bad

bornfree.life has a whole protocol on recovering from this stuff

in the meantime cyproheptadine can be super helpful

emodin , methylene blue, vitamin c , all stuff to think about trying

Samyo

@sneedful said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

free.lif

I get these farts, if i ate too many oats for example, apart from that I dont fart at all on this zero fiber

@Samyo did this all start after the meme virus

Samyo

@sneedful no

LucH

@Samyo said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

Only way i calm down my rashes is removing fiber, and becoming constipated the opposite way is, regular bowels with rashes on my skin I've attempted both ways nearly for 3 years now

It's not the appropriate way to solve the problem, as you can see.
You have to regulate the overgrowth of intestinal bacteria and you have to get the bacteria go out of the second part of the colon. Not only.
Several points have to be followed, with a plan. Just B1 is not going to solve everything for every body. It's to facilitate communication between the brain and the stomach / the intestines.

LetTheRedeemed

@sneedful interesting, thanks for the share.

Mossy

@sneedful said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

@LetTheRedeemed coconut oil literally enhances some of the bacteria that can cause these issues particularly bilophila wadsworthia and others that feed in bile acids

Is that to say coconut oil is pro bacteria? I've never heard this before, but from my experience with coconut oil, I could see this being the case. I don't feel well when I take it. This is really pronounced when I take it straight, but I'm now considering even within food it may negatively affect me.

LucH

@Mossy said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

Is that to say coconut oil is pro bacteria?
2.I've never heard this before,
3.but from my experience with coconut oil, I could see this being the case. I don't feel well when I take it.
4.This is really pronounced when I take it straight, but I'm now considering even within food it may negatively affect me.

some kinds of SFA are useful , but excess unbalance is not appropriate. Let's say 45/45/10 %.
doi: 10.1159/000371687
Interactions between diet, bile acid metabolism, gut microbiota, and Inflammatory Bowel Diseases.
=> excess SFA, sugar and lack of veggies.
Listen to your body. Stop 1 month with coconut oil. Then take 2 x1 tsp with a meal.
Other kinds from butter and free-range cattle / poultry / duck / ...
Coconut oil has the capacity to kill LPS bacteria. Liver overburdened. Need some olive oil to carry them away. Not advised to take coco at he beginning of a detox, or when you take antibiotics.

When I have have problem to digest food:

enzymedica lipogold (when bloating)
-- Betaine HCL (with ginger & gentian bitters), from Doctor's best. once a day, at evening meal.

@Mossy im probably wrong about that tbh

coconut oil is generally anti bacterial. that bacteria bilophilia wadsworthia and some others feed off bile and increased fat intake can increase bile but coconut oil is mostly absorbed by another method, so in general coconut oil is anti bacterial and @LucH is probably right

so I retract the previous statement saying coconut oil can feed bacteria.

Mossy

@LucH said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

@Mossy said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

Is that to say coconut oil is pro bacteria?
2.I've never heard this before,
3.but from my experience with coconut oil, I could see this being the case. I don't feel well when I take it.
4.This is really pronounced when I take it straight, but I'm now considering even within food it may negatively affect me.

some kinds of SFA are useful , but excess unbalance is not appropriate. Let's say 45/45/10 %.

doi: 10.1159/000371687
Interactions between diet, bile acid metabolism, gut microbiota, and Inflammatory Bowel Diseases.
=> excess SFA, sugar and lack of veggies.

Listen to your body. Stop 1 month with coconut oil. Then take 2 x1 tsp with a meal.
Other kinds from butter and free-range cattle / poultry / duck / ...

Coconut oil has the capacity to kill LPS bacteria. Liver overburdened. Need some olive oil to carry them away. Not advised to take coco at he beginning of a detox, or when you take antibiotics.

When I have have problem to digest food:

enzymedica lipogold (when bloating)
-- Betaine HCL (with ginger & gentian bitters), from Doctor's best. once a day, at evening meal.

Much appreciated, LucH. I will consider and apply some of these.