I need x-rays
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@LetTheRedeemed said in I need x-rays:
I'd suggest trying to reverse a vitamin K deficiency, with just prolonged higher doses of vitamin K (K2MK4 is a must,
Masterjohn says K2 MK7 for fluidity problems is optimal, better than K1.
Mind the protection (oxidation) for MK7. Rather fragile (3 months if not well encapsulated with e.g. rosmarinus). So No liquid form with MK7.
Excerpt:
There is reason to think MK-7 would be better at supporting blood clotting.
“MK-7 is not just three times better than K1 at reaching bone; it’s also five times better at supporting blood clotting (Schurgers, 2007). This may be because the greater fat-solubility of MK-7 makes it hold on more tightly to the membranes within liver cells, making it stay active in the liver much longer rather than being released and broken down (Shearer, 2008). The liver is where clotting proteins are made, so more extended activity in the liver would explain why MK-7 could better support blood clotting. If this is correct, other long-chain MKs such as MK-8 and MK-9 probably share this property as well.”
https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/blog/2016/12/09/the-ultimate-vitamin-k2-resource/ -
@LucH I agree Mk7 better than K1, but apparently Mk7 functions like a surrogate of Mk4 -- it's sole reason that I recall for it's continued support is that it's half life is twice as long, but, that's likely because it's used half as effectively. Apparently K1 itself is converted to Mk4.
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/k2-mk4-or-mk7.13828/page-4Based on this, I believe it would be better to just continually consume more Mk4.
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@LetTheRedeemed said in I need x-rays:
I believe it would be better to just continually consume more Mk4.
Yes, I do so (MK4) but once a week I take the full spectrum.
I won't account much on the conversion rate (K1 => needs for MK4 and MK7), very weak (15%) and random. -
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@LetTheRedeemed , Ray recommends gelatin to be about 1/3 of the total amount of protein since gelatin is missing essential amino acids.
For me, the ratio has to be even lower, of about 1/4, not produce negative effects such as brittle nails and hair. -
@LetTheRedeemed
I've been taking VitK by Thorne. As seen below. Would that mean 1-2 tablets a day?
I only take one every other day so probably can take more. I don't like to take a lot of supplements that's why I don't take much at the moment. I do think aspirin is important and that's why I take this as well.
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@happyhanneke said in I need x-rays:
Would that mean 1-2 tablets a day?
half-life of K2 MK7 is 72 hours.
I’ve had a discussion on RPF about the dosage of vitamin K2. How much is too much?
I won’t recommend taking more than 2 mg / day, given the fact that the menaquinones (K2 family) are broken down into menadiones, which can be "toxic" If repeated.
http://ajplung.physiology.org/content/ajplung/262/5/L637.full.pdfMenadione in excess clearly affects the mitochondrial function. (5)
However there is no reported health risk when taking K2. Excess K2 is excreted through urine and feces (through bile). No direct adverse effect doesn’t mean there is no impact on energy level. This is a personal comment. It depends on the way the body neutralizes an excess oral supplement.
Mind excess alpha-tocopherols too (vitamin E) because it may interfere with synthesis of K2. (6- 7). And do not take at the same meal.
Also if you take phytonutrients as AINS (curcumine or aspirin) because it affects cytochrome P450 (detox pathway). You need a recovery period between 2 cures.References
5. http://jcs.biologists.org/content/106/1/309
6. http://health.oregonstate.edu/biblio/vitamin-e-decreases-extra-hepatic-menaquinone-4-concentrations-rats-fed-menadione-or
7. http://www.pubpdf.com/pub/22707266/Vitamin-E-decreases-extra-hepatic-menaquinone-4-concentrations-in-rats-fed-menadione-or-phylloquinon
α-Toco may interfere with the side chain removal of phylloquinone (PK) to form menadione (MN) as an intermediate for synthesis of tissue-specific menaquinone-4 (MK-4).Dosage
K1= 45 mcg.
Enough to improve the level of artery calcification and cardiac mortality. It depends on the interaction between A D K vitamins.
K2 type MK4: 45 mg (45.000 mcg).
Recommended to decarboxylate the Osteocalcin level.
K2 type MK7: 240 mcg for diabetics and obese people. Level recommended in the prevention of atherosclerosis, diabetes, osteoporosis, obesity, etc.
From « Dosage optimum » on this link (in French):
http://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t706-vitamine-k2-achat-exemples-de-produits#6433
Info on absorption, target and dosage of vitamin K (and links from Chris Masterjohn and Kate Rheaume-blue) (in French, with English links)
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1704-vit-k-mk4-vs-mk7-update-02-2020#21497 -
@happyhanneke Danny Roddy recommends 5mg vit K for under a gram of aspirin, and 10mg vit K for 2-3 grams of aspirin. (Edit: I way under pitched the recommended doses by Danny)
Basically 5 grams vit K per 1 gram of aspirin sounds safest.
For you, that would mean 3 capsules for 3 grams of aspirin
I want to say Ray and Georgi talked about 15mg of vit K daily to replicate the antibacterial effect of tetracycline class antibiotics
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For now I'm not doing the X rays. I don't know what would come out of them anyway.
I am trying DMSO and that seems to help a bit so I am hopeful.
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@happyhanneke nice. Consider researching sodium thiosulfate and see if that can be added to the dmso for benefit. It’s one of the least spoken of supplements in the bioenergetic community for some reason, but Ray spoke about using. It is a powerful decalcifier.
