Why do you believe in God?

Norwegian Mugabe

@brad A very good argument. Very peaterian that children intuitively get it right. It seems to me that as long as there is something, there can and has never been nothing. Nothing is impossible if there is something (Conservation of Energy).

Norwegian Mugabe

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Norwegian Mugabe

Hi @Adonis the smartest people in history almost always talked about the value of getting to know God.

To eat from God's knowledge, is a divine diet of grace and truth.

I asked Peatbot to list the health benefits of praying, and I doubt there is many other things as beneficial for our health.

Reduces Stress: Engaging in prayer can trigger the relaxation response, which helps reduce stress levels in the body. This can lead to lower blood pressure and a reduced risk of stress-related illnesses.
Improves Emotional Well-being: Prayer can provide a sense of comfort, hope, and strength, especially during times of emotional distress, grief, or anxiety.
Enhances Coping Skills: For many, prayer is a way to cope with life's challenges and uncertainties, providing a sense of control and the ability to better handle difficult situations.
Promotes Positive Attitudes: Regular prayer can lead to increased feelings of gratitude, compassion, forgiveness, and optimism, which can positively affect overall well-being.
Encourages Healthy Behavior: Some people find that prayer motivates them to make healthier lifestyle choices, such as avoiding harmful substances or engaging in regular exercise.
Supports Mental Health: Prayer can be a source of solace and can help reduce feelings of depression, anxiety, and isolation by fostering a sense of belonging to a larger community or higher power.
Improves Focus and Clarity: The quiet and reflective nature of prayer can improve concentration and mental clarity, allowing individuals to reflect on their lives and focus on what is important.
Strengthens Relationships: Group prayer or prayer for others can strengthen social bonds and increase empathy and support within a community.
Enhances Self-awareness: Prayer often involves self-reflection, which can lead to greater self-awareness and personal growth.
Promotes Healing: Some studies suggest that prayer can have a positive effect on healing and recovery from illness, although the mechanisms and extent of this effect are still being explored.
Increases Longevity: There is some evidence to suggest that individuals who engage in regular spiritual practices, including prayer, may have a longer lifespan, potentially due to the combined effects of reduced stress, healthier lifestyles, and increased social support.

Norwegian Mugabe

@brad Here is a similar kind of argument.

"Charles Taylor contends that the real is whatever will not go away. If we cannot reduce talk about God to anything else, or replace it, or prove it false, then perhaps God is as real as anything else".

Norwegian Mugabe

Hi @Caray , this argument was made by Anselm of Canterbury. It is some of the finest thinking in all of human history. The arguemnt is of cosmic beauty.

We conceive of God as a being that which no greater can be conceived.
This being that which no greater can be conceived either exists in the mind alone or both in the mind and in reality.
Assume that this being that which no greater can be conceived exists in the mind alone.

a. Existing both in the mind and in reality is greater than existing solely in the mind.

b. This being, existing in the mind alone, can also be conceived to exist in reality.

c. This being existing in the mind alone is not therefore the being than which no greater can be conceived. (See statement 1 above.)

Therefore, this being that which no greater can be conceived exists in reality as well as exists in the mind.

bruh

Isn't trying to prove God's existen missing the point? You're supposed to have faith in him.

Peatful

I don’t “believe in”

Meaning
I don’t believe in my mother
I know my mother

I don’t believe in God
I know Him

Truth

Hi, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2CuAVAERjs funny short on "god"

Norwegian Mugabe

@bruh you have faith in what you know. The deeper you get to know God, the more meaningful your life becomes.

VirtueAgonist

I like Saint Anselm’s that-than-which-nothing-greater-can-be-thought argument. Aristotle, Plotinus, Augustine, and Aquinas are S tier too.

Norwegian Mugabe

Leibniz’ Contingency Argument is another argument that seems to be absolutely correct.

The argument goes like this:

Every contingent fact has an explanation.
There is a contingent fact that includes all other contingent facts.
Therefore, there is an explanation of this fact.
This explanation must involve a necessary being.
This necessary being is God.

Truth

@Norwegian-Mugabe Hi, what do you mean by "god"?

Kvirion

There can be a pantheistic god... Or maybe not...
A theistic god is rather just a fairytale to keep normies behaving in order (keep their heads down)...

Norwegian Mugabe

@Truth Lol, don't go full Juden Peterstein on me. If you see the video I just posted which explains the contingency argument, you will find a good definition of god at the end of the video.

Truth

@Norwegian-Mugabe I'm going full elementary question, what meaning do you personally give to the word "god", what characteristics do you associate with it?

Norwegian Mugabe

@Truth What we can know from the arguments posted earlier in this thread, is that someone or something created the universe (God). God is also the greatest possible being. I think that much of God's other properties are speculation. Some guesses are better than others, but there are certain things that it seems like we are unable to get answer to by reason alone.

Truth

@Norwegian-Mugabe What do you mean by "greatest possible being", in terms of size, in terms of the value you personally give to it?

Norwegian Mugabe

@Truth God is the greatest being in terms of abilities and influence.

Truth

@Norwegian-Mugabe Are there any specific reasons why you perceive it as external to us, rather than partly within us or totally within us?

Norwegian Mugabe

@Truth Yes the arguments posted earlier shows that the Universe was created contigently. See the following arguments: Kalam's cosmological argument, Aquinas Argument from Necessity , and Leibniz’ Contingency Argument.