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    If the state of death truly is a continuum, does it imply the possiblity of recovery?

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      Rah1woot
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      https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5102206/
      https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5102188/
      https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/hast.962

      Discuss. Would it be possible to restore life function after observed "brain death" through interventions? If so, what might those interventions look like?

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        ThinPicking @Rah1woot
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        I don't know. But for some reason I'm sure it wouldn't look like a med-bay from elysium.

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          yerrag @Rah1woot
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          @Rah1woot

          2 years ago, my heart stopped and I was revived after 15 minutes. I didn't lose my brain as before my heart stopped I was attached a device (forgot what it's called though it was common in the COVID hoaxing), so my brain did not die for lack of oxygen.

          I am sure I would have been brain dead if not for that. I had thought little about any other alternative outcome other than death. I would prefer no other either, as death is not an ending but a beginning. The ones who suffer are those who are left behind, and even then they are consoled as well.

          But I've escaped death many times before and sometimes wonder if I had actually survived or if I was just continuing to live in an alternate plane without being conscious of the transition that took place in a flash. But if that were the case, it becomes irrelevant to ask if being brain dead means life has ceased. But we don't really know how to think of it or how to approach it.

          My personal preference is to consider me dead for all intents and purposes, and have good memories of when I was here, and to bid me well in where I go. And for me and for my friends and family to have good memories, and to not have any regrets.

          Whether a life is lived long or short is not important, it is whether it is lived with meaning. Losing a pet gives me lessons as I think about the time filled with love and caring. If it lived a short life, what consoled me is that it was very fortunate as I gave every ounce of love to it. I'm only saying this about pets, as we've had more pets die on us than family or friends as we grow up. We have plenty of training about the cycle of life.

          Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
          engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
          wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
          the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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            yerrag @Rah1woot
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            @Rah1woot

            2 years ago, my heart stopped and I was revived after 15 minutes. I didn't lose my brain as before my heart stopped I was attached a device (forgot what it's called though it was common in the COVID hoaxing), so my brain did not die for lack of oxygen.

            I am sure I would have been brain dead if not for that. I had thought little about any other alternative outcome other than death. I would prefer no other either, as death is not an ending but a beginning. The ones who suffer are those who are left behind, and even then they are consoled as well.

            But I've escaped death many times before and sometimes wonder if I had actually survived or if I was just continuing to live in an alternate plane without being conscious of the transition that took place in a flash. But if that were the case, it becomes irrelevant to ask if being brain dead means life has ceased. But we don't really know how to think of it or how to approach it.

            My personal preference is to consider me dead for all intents and purposes, and have good memories of when I was here, and to bid me well in where I go. And for me and for my friends and family to have good memories, and to not have any regrets.

            Whether a life is lived long or short is not important, it is whether it is lived with meaning. Losing a pet gives me lessons as I think about the time filled with love and caring. If it lived a short life, what consoled me is that it was very fortunate as I gave every ounce of love to it. I'm only saying this about pets, as we've had more pets die on us than family or friends as we grow up. We have plenty of training about the cycle of life.

            Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
            engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
            wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
            the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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              Peatful
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              The body dies
              Every day your body dies

              It is your spirit that lives forever

              Therefore im not sure what your header question is asking

              The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

              SD

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                DavidPS @Rah1woot
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                @Rah1woot said in If the state of death truly is a continuum, does it imply the possiblity of recovery?:

                Would it be possible to restore life function after observed "brain death" through interventions?

                Brain death is just a diagnosis of modern medicine, it is not true death. As such, the diagnosis allows the medical industry to swoop in and extract organs and other tissues from an otherwise alive person before tissues start to degrade. Is is a highly profitable business.

                By the way, signing an organ donor can expedite the process of organ extraction. The medical doctors do not need to get permission from the next of kin.

                ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
                ☂️

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                  Rah1woot @ThinPicking
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                  @ThinPicking I'm kind of reminded of the way in which Georgi treated mice with, I think it was B1, B3, B7, Aspirin to reverse tumor growth. If tumor growth can be considered a problem of "de-integration" of cells per Warburg (in my head, this is cells "ceasing to trust" the body to provide for them and making do on their own), could "penumbral" brain tissue be brought back into integration in a similar way?

                  Solving the problem of blood and fluid flow would seem like the important thing. Michael Levin's work in bioelectric organization may be applicable.

                  Youtube Video

                  The biology stuff in above is interesting. Reminds me of Mind and Tissue by Ray Peat.

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