\ i just found out i am extremely hyperglycemic. i may possibly have diabetes and i never knew
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As I mentioned on this forum before, I am a soccer player. I don't have any problems when I'm playing (sometimes 90 minutes but i do have a sugary drink with me). Today, I bought a blood sugar meter and have been getting readings between 170-300 mg/dL. I asked an AI what this means, and it seemed to think I should call an ambulance immediately.
Unfortunately, I'm not in a position where I can do that right now. I feel fine, and this is my usual diet, so I don't feel odd. (plus the symptoms he mentioned i should have of frequent urination, dehydration drowsiness etc arent present except for brain fog which i cannot be sure is because of this because it is around 5 am here and i am usually pretty foggy at this hour )
I also have hypertension, with a systolic pressure often around 147, which is normal for me. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can lower my blood sugar?
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@lobotomize-me said in HELPPPP!!!!! i just found out i am extremely hyperglycemic. i may possibly have diabetes and i never knew:
Does anyone have any ideas on how I can lower my blood sugar?
Hi,
I'd read the book of Jessies Inaupsché to learn how to manage glycemia: Glucose revolution.
In short, eat first fibers (veggies), meat with fat afterwards, and carbs last.
Dress your carbs. For instance, when eating potatoes, add one egg yolk, 1 tbsp butter. I mix my potato with 150 g frozen spinach or very small pieces of broccoli.
Useful info: Glucose Revolution Jessie Inaupsché- Alarming results: In healthy individuals, a simple bowl of cereal propelled their glucose levels into a red zone that only diabetics were supposed to reach.
- Calories are not the determining factor in weight gain, all things considered. Understand that +500 K/cal should not be a problem if...
- Moderating the blood sugar peak leads to less oxidative stress, fewer free radicals, less inflammation.
- Walking 10 to 20 minutes after the evening meal reduces side effects.
- Your breakfast conditions your entire day in an unexpected way. Studies show that after a breakfast that causes a big spike in glucose, hunger returns more quickly and blood sugar remains out of control all day.
- The ideal order of foods: fiber – proteins (with fat) – carbohydrates. The fibers ingested first considerably reduce the glucose peak caused by sugar.
- Learn to understand the blood sugar curve, with examples.
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1925-glucose-revolution#26942
(In French, with English links; translator needed)
Site of Jessie Inaupsché:
https://www.glucosegoddess.com
NB: The information given is based on science, established by studies mostly less than 5 years old.
As example:
PDT = potato
boeuf = beef
Melange = mixed
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Blood sugar and carbohydrate absorption speed
Source: Montignac > blood sugar > Physiology of intestinal absorption
Not all carbohydrates are absorbed in the same way: 400 K/cal. of lentils is not equivalent to 400 K/cal of potatoes. For the same amount of carbohydrate, consuming lentils provides three times fewer available “calories”.
Figure 1: Carbs absorption speed (with food stuffs)
Credit : http://www.montignac.com/fr/sucres-lents-sucres-rapides/There is no slow or fast sugar. This is a misconception!
Figure2: Carbs absorption speed (with sugar types)
Green spot: disaccharide (sugar cane, honey)
---: Polysaccharide: starch
==: (blue spot): monosaccharide (glucose & fructose)
Note: Milk and yoghurt are special cases (growth homone).
Useful link (in French, excerpts from the book) (with pictures to illustrate the comments)
Book : Glucose Révolution – Jessie INCHAUSPÉ
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1925-glucose-revolution#26942 (in French, translator needed)- “food order and postprandial changes”: The ideal order of foods: fiber – proteins (with fat) – carbohydrates. The fibers ingested first considerably reduce the glucose peak caused by sugar.
- Learn how to smooth the blood sugar curve, with examples. This way you can better manage possible weight gain or lost energy capacity.
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@lobotomize-me said in HELPPPP!!!!! i just found out i am extremely hyperglycemic. i may possibly have diabetes and i never knew:
As I mentioned on this forum before, I am a soccer player. I don't have any problems when I'm playing (sometimes 90 minutes but i do have a sugary drink with me). Today, I bought a blood sugar meter and have been getting readings between 170-300 mg/dL. I asked an AI what this means, and it seemed to think I should call an ambulance immediately.
Unfortunately, I'm not in a position where I can do that right now. I feel fine, and this is my usual diet, so I don't feel odd. (plus the symptoms he mentioned i should have of frequent urination, dehydration drowsiness etc arent present except for brain fog which i cannot be sure is because of this because it is around 5 am here and i am usually pretty foggy at this hour )
I also have hypertension, with a systolic pressure often around 147, which is normal for me. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can lower my blood sugar?
Not medical advice.
Simplifying this greatly.Glucose has a hard time getting pick up by cells that are stressed.
Sugar will be unbound. Free floating.
Ex ketogenic and carnivore people see a lot of what you’re describing btwAre you under stress because you’re not meeting your metabolic needs to play soccer?
Are you under stress environmentally?
Etc etcWe want to lower your cortisol most likely
Body temp is a good tool to have more objective data
Wake up
Nourish yourself with c/p/f meal
Do enjoyable shtt
Have a balanced snack
Go to work
Have a good lunch
Work
Snack
Home
Hardy dinner
Rest. Relax.
Snack before bed
Good nights sleep
RepeatAlways make sure you are nourished
Balancing macros is best if your BS is erraticTrack your temps for more data
Glad you are feeling well
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@lobotomize-me said in HELPPPP!!!!! i just found out i am extremely hyperglycemic. i may possibly have diabetes and i never knew:
I asked an AI what this means, and it seemed to think I should call an ambulance immediately.
Your title's a bit hyperbolic. Take the nonemergency route to conventional medical exam as soon as possible. Outsource your diagnostic there. And follow up.
Does anyone have any ideas on how I can lower my blood sugar?
Relative to what. Blood chemistry, volume, regional tensive dynamics of the container, its 'pump' and its 'drain' are interlinked. And again with the rest.
You're running a marathon when you play football. What exactly is in your home made Sport Drink (
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@lobotomize-me Are you taking high doses of vitamin C ? Also have you measure your blood sugar after fasting at least 12 hours? A true diabetic will be high after that period of time so check it.
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@LucH amazing reply as always. but i have a question for you to consider.
This whole model is built on the premise that "flattening the glucose curve" is optimal. But isn't the goal of a healthy, high energy metabolism to utilize fuel rapidly and efficiently? Why would we want to intentionally blunt and slow down the delivery of our primary energy source with fiber? instead of improving insulin sensitivity -
@zorba990 yes i do take 1 g of vit c a day thank you for pointing it out as a possible blood sugar test distorter. i measured the blood sugar 1 hour post meal
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@Peatful said in HELPPPP!!!!! i just found out i am extremely hyperglycemic. i may possibly have diabetes and i never knew:
Are you under stress because you’re not meeting your metabolic needs to play soccer?
what do you mean by that ?
@Peatful said in HELPPPP!!!!! i just found out i am extremely hyperglycemic. i may possibly have diabetes and i never knew:
Body temp is a good tool to have more objective data
my body tempt is around 37.1 celsius optimal under ray guidlines i forgot to mention it
blood pressure sys stabilised today to 110 for soe reasons i cannot explain -
@lobotomize-me
you’re right go by how you feel.
If you feel fine it’s good to be cautious about letting narratives needlessly medicalize you. Same principle applies to people who feel dreadfully sick and then are told it’s all in their head.
With that in mind here’s an email exchange where someone asked Ray Peat about what is commonly called hyperglycemia:Post in thread 'Ray Peat Email Advice Depository'
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/ray-peat-email-advice-depository.1035/post-421799Me:
It is said hyperglycemia is bad because it can cause damage to nerves, blood vessels, organs. Do you think the sugar itself can cause damage if its level is kept high in the
blood stream for an extended period? There is a lot going on when the body is in a state of hyperglycemia, so it seems a little bit weird to blame any damage that is caused entirely on the sugar itself. Could it just be something else that happens to be high like FFA, insulin, lactic acid, or even an absence of something, like sugar (being utilized) or CO2?Ray:
"In tissue culture experiments, very high glucose has harmful effects, but those conditions don’t reflect what happens in the whole organism. Glucose in the blood is increased adaptively to protect against something that’s damaging the tissues, and that’s usually a hormone imbalance that is interfering with the ability to oxidize glucose. The “glycation” that’s usually blamed on high glucose is mostly caused by lipid peroxidation from polyunsaturated fats, and the glycerol that’s liberated by lipolysis, and metabolized to methylglyoxal. The fats block glucose metabolism for energy, and more glucose is produced to overcome that." -
@lobotomize-me said in HELPPPP!!!!! i just found out i am extremely hyperglycemic. i may possibly have diabetes and i never knew:
This whole model is built on the premise that "flattening the glucose curve" is optimal. But isn't the goal of a healthy, high energy metabolism to utilize fuel rapidly and efficiently? Why would we want to intentionally blunt and slow down the delivery of our primary energy source with fiber? instead of improving insulin sensitivity
Sorry by advance, but there is no short answer.
Talk with ChatGPT.
Context: lobotomize-me asked me:
"This whole model is built on the premise that "flattening the glucose curve" is optimal. But isn't the goal of a healthy, high energy metabolism to utilize fuel rapidly and efficiently? Why would we want to intentionally blunt and slow down the delivery of our primary energy source with fiber? instead of improving insulin sensitivity".
Answer from LucH:
We have to distinguish the rhythm of the motor. Do you metabolize well or not? Hypo or not? You won’t burn carbs on the same way.
When there is a reactional hypoglycemia, something goes wrong when you’re unable to adapt.
I’m not talking here about glycation. Ray PEAT spoke in general, about ideal carburation.
By the way, let’s remember RP said sugar only count for 8 % in the insulin spike. We forget to take into account how much potassium should have been ingested to help normalize the curb.
Question to ChatGP:
I know the ideal order for foodstuff is fiber, meat (with fat) and carbs (Cfr. Jessie Inaupsché). I know that the rhythm of ingestion and mastication has to be appropriate. So don’t talk to me with such a common sense; I know that.
Could you rather try to explain to forumers how an adequate potassium level could soften the glycemia response?
Comment:
The problem of a hypoglycemia reaction could become from 2 ways:- A fatty liver. The pancreas doesn’t function / secrete the adequate levels of hormones to manage the fuel / energy. So, there is a lack of adequate amount of insulin. Lazy pancreas (overburdened).
- Fatty muscles. The muscles are protected / surrounded by excess fat. The insulin can’t reach the target. More insulin is asked.
When insensibility to insulin secretion has arrived, because of an exhausted mechanism, it’ not by taking metformin (to improve sensibility of muscle) we are going to solve the problem. We win a 10 year-delay.
NB: Metformin is supposed to inhibit the process of gluconeogenesis and so to help controlling blood sugar by the liver. But it has side-effects: fat accumulation due to a wrong lipogenesis.
doi: 10.1007/s00125-017-4342-z 2017 in Diabetologia. The mechanisms of action of metformin. (See conclusion).
Answer from ChatGPT
LucH’s response raises some interesting points about metabolism and the role of potassium in managing glycemic response. To break it down and expand on it:
The Role of Potassium in Glycemic Control
Potassium is essential in balancing the activity of insulin, especially in the regulation of glucose uptake by tissues. Here’s why potassium might soften the glycemic response:
- Insulin Secretion and Action:
Potassium plays a key role in regulating insulin secretion from the pancreas. When blood glucose rises, insulin is released to help cells take in glucose. If potassium levels are low, insulin release may be impaired or suboptimal, contributing to glucose imbalances. - Insulin Sensitivity:
Potassium helps enhance the action of insulin at the cellular level. Adequate potassium ensures that insulin can efficiently stimulate glucose uptake by muscle cells and other tissues, preventing prolonged high blood glucose. In a potassium-deficient state, insulin’s action may be less effective, leading to insulin resistance. - Electrolyte Balance and Cell Function:
Potassium helps maintain the electrical gradients necessary for cellular processes, including the transport of glucose into cells. If potassium is insufficient, this transport can be slowed, leading to higher circulating blood glucose levels. - Sodium-Potassium Pump and Glucose Uptake:
The sodium-potassium pump (which uses potassium and sodium ions to generate cellular energy) plays a crucial role in maintaining the function of insulin-responsive tissues. Without enough potassium, this pump can become inefficient, impairing glucose uptake into cells, and leading to higher blood sugar levels. - Potassium’s Role in Metabolism:
Potassium also affects other metabolic pathways that are involved in maintaining glucose homeostasis. It can influence the activity of enzymes involved in glucose metabolism, and it’s vital for the conversion of glucose to energy in muscle cells.
Fatty Liver and Muscle as Barriers to Insulin Function
The two causes of insulin resistance you mentioned—fatty liver and fatty muscles—are key players in metabolic dysfunction, especially in the context of poor glycemic control.
• Fatty Liver:
When the liver accumulates fat, it becomes less responsive to insulin, impairing its ability to manage blood sugar levels effectively. A fatty liver often leads to an overproduction of glucose (through gluconeogenesis), contributing to insulin resistance. In this case, improving insulin sensitivity through lifestyle changes (like exercise, reducing fat intake, and improving overall metabolism) can be more effective than relying on medications like metformin, which can potentially worsen the situation in the long term by promoting fat accumulation through altered lipogenesis.
• Fatty Muscles:
Fat surrounding muscle tissue can prevent insulin from reaching its target sites effectively. Insulin’s primary job is to promote glucose uptake into muscle cells, and when fat accumulates around these cells, this process becomes impaired. The more fat in and around the muscle, the greater the amount of insulin needed to achieve the same effect. This leads to higher insulin levels in the blood, which contributes to insulin resistance over time.Metformin and Its Side Effects
You correctly point out that while metformin may offer short-term relief by reducing hepatic gluconeogenesis, it doesn’t address the root cause of insulin resistance—namely, the excess fat in tissues that hinders insulin’s action. Additionally, metformin has been shown to promote fat accumulation in some cases, particularly through changes in lipogenesis, which may exacerbate the underlying metabolic problems.
Potassium’s Role in Softening the Glycemic Response
So, to summarize how potassium can soften the glycemic response:
• Supports insulin secretion and function: Adequate potassium helps insulin act more effectively.
• Improves glucose uptake: Potassium helps cells, particularly muscle cells, absorb glucose more efficiently, preventing excessive glucose accumulation in the bloodstream.
• Maintains electrolyte balance: Potassium supports the functions of enzymes and cellular processes that help balance blood sugar.
Thus, by ensuring sufficient potassium intake, you might be able to improve insulin sensitivity and prevent the severe swings in blood glucose that often lead to issues like hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia.
Conclusion
The issue of glycemic control is complex, and while fibers, fats, and carbohydrates all have their role, potassium is an often-overlooked factor in the equation. Potassium helps optimize the body's ability to respond to glucose, making it a crucial element for anyone dealing with insulin resistance or managing their blood sugar levels.
Does that help clarify how potassium fits into this picture? Or would you like to dive deeper into the metabolic mechanisms involved?
LucH answers :
No, thanks. Too much explanation could discourage the readers. Bye.
ChatGPT said:
Got it! I’ll keep it brief next time. Take care and see you around! -
@lobotomize-me said in HELPPPP!!!!! i just found out i am extremely hyperglycemic. i may possibly have diabetes and i never knew:
But isn't the goal of a healthy, high energy metabolism to utilize fuel rapidly and efficiently? Why would we want to intentionally blunt and slow down the delivery of our primary energy source with fiber? instead of improving insulin sensitivity
IIRC, a steep increase in blood sugar often leads to an overcompensation where blood sugar drops below normal. This leads to a stress reaction, and fat is released into the bloodstream, which would just make problems worse.
Idk how this plays out if someone has optimal metabolic health, but it's good to keep in mind while healing.
@LucH said in HELPPPP!!!!! i just found out i am extremely hyperglycemic. i may possibly have diabetes and i never knew:
