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Why do you believe in God?

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    Kvirion @A Former User
    last edited by Kvirion Feb 10, 2024, 10:31 AM Feb 10, 2024, 10:22 AM

    There can be a pantheistic god... Or maybe not...
    A theistic god is rather just a fairytale to keep normies behaving in order (keep their heads down)...

    A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
    And drinking largely sobers us again.
    ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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      Norwegian Mugabe @A Former User
      last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:00 PM

      @Truth Lol, don't go full Juden Peterstein on me. If you see the video I just posted which explains the contingency argument, you will find a good definition of god at the end of the video.

      Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

      Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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        A Former User @Norwegian Mugabe
        last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:09 PM

        @Norwegian-Mugabe I'm going full elementary question, what meaning do you personally give to the word "god", what characteristics do you associate with it?

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          Norwegian Mugabe @A Former User
          last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:15 PM

          @Truth What we can know from the arguments posted earlier in this thread, is that someone or something created the universe (God). God is also the greatest possible being. I think that much of God's other properties are speculation. Some guesses are better than others, but there are certain things that it seems like we are unable to get answer to by reason alone.

          Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

          Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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            A Former User @Norwegian Mugabe
            last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:17 PM

            @Norwegian-Mugabe What do you mean by "greatest possible being", in terms of size, in terms of the value you personally give to it?

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              Norwegian Mugabe @A Former User
              last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:19 PM

              @Truth God is the greatest being in terms of abilities and influence.

              Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

              Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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                A Former User @Norwegian Mugabe
                last edited by A Former User Feb 10, 2024, 12:25 PM Feb 10, 2024, 12:23 PM

                @Norwegian-Mugabe Are there any specific reasons why you perceive it as external to us, rather than partly within us or totally within us?

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                  Norwegian Mugabe @A Former User
                  last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:27 PM

                  @Truth Yes the arguments posted earlier shows that the Universe was created contigently. See the following arguments: Kalam's cosmological argument, Aquinas Argument from Necessity , and Leibniz’ Contingency Argument.

                  Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

                  Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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                    A Former User @Norwegian Mugabe
                    last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:41 PM

                    @Norwegian-Mugabe in this thought, do they imply or do you imply that this thing, is a being,(Being often has a personifying connotation), and potentially assumes that this "being" has intentions?

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                      Norwegian Mugabe @A Former User
                      last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:50 PM

                      @Truth None of those three agruments imply intentions, but some arguments for God's existence do imply intetion. I thnik for instace, that all forms of The Mozart Argument imply that God values beauty. It might be possible to argue that you can infer intention from Anselm of Canterbury's argument too.

                      Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

                      Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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                        A Former User @Norwegian Mugabe
                        last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:55 PM

                        @Norwegian-Mugabe No distinction between a being and a thing (such as a stone) in this argument? If there is, what contributes to the perception of "god" as a "being" rather than a thing (such as a stone) in this idea?

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                          Norwegian Mugabe @A Former User
                          last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 12:59 PM

                          @Truth again the arugments differ on this. Kalam's argument does not say what kind of being/force it would be that created the universe. Anselm of Canterbury's argument certainly states that God must be the greatest possible being.

                          Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

                          Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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                            A Former User @Norwegian Mugabe
                            last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 1:05 PM

                            @Norwegian-Mugabe Which of these two is part of your idea of "god"?

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                              zawisza @A Former User
                              last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 1:10 PM

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                                Norwegian Mugabe @A Former User
                                last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 1:14 PM

                                @Truth Both of these arguments are valid arguments for God. Kalam's argument is perhaps the greatest argument of all, but this argument does not state much about the kind of being God is.
                                If you truly want spiritual wholeness and develop a deep relationship with God, then I reccomend spending time hiking in nature. If you sit in silence in nature you will feel in your gut what purpose you should take on. I also reccomend to train yourself to be a lover of beauty. Listen to classical music and make your surrondings as beautiful as possible.

                                Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

                                Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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                                  A Former User @zawisza
                                  last edited by A Former User Feb 10, 2024, 1:28 PM Feb 10, 2024, 1:24 PM

                                  @zawisza Lolol, it doesn't matter if we're not on reddit, or if my name is Truth instead of socrates

                                  I'll keep asking elementary questions, Even if you please me not to

                                  According to you it's obvious, keep reading and you'll potentially realize that there are aspects and nuances of his idea of "god" that aren't necessarily mentioned or explained in the initial post

                                  Lolol it's you who comes across as a fanatical buffoon who tries to label people who ask questions about "god" as "heretics"

                                  I don't care about "Christian theology" and "saints", I ask the questions to the guy who made the post

                                  I block you

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                                    A Former User @Norwegian Mugabe
                                    last edited by A Former User Feb 10, 2024, 2:07 PM Feb 10, 2024, 2:02 PM

                                    @Norwegian-Mugabe

                                    From my experience, I suggest that "god" in the majority of cases is a feeling and/or feelings associated with ideas,

                                    the higher our energy level,
                                    the more we feel united with everything, the more we feel united with "god", or even that this unity we feel within us, and of which we are a part, is "god" or "divine" energy, to the point where we no longer perceive it as something "greater" or external to us

                                    We can also experience a certain degree of masculine energy, which is associated with a high enough degree of sovereignty, fertility, power, free of any negative emotions, where we feel we embody the energy of life creation, we no longer think of all the potentially sub-optimal ideas associated with "god" that arouse suboptimal emotions, we no longer think of "god",

                                    we feel that we are "god" (in this second state, the feeling of "divine" energy is felt individually, rather than as part of everything)

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                                      Norwegian Mugabe @A Former User
                                      last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 2:24 PM

                                      @Truth you touch on Schopenhauer's view of objectivity nullifying the burden of the will, and Nietzsche's idea of will to power. Both ideas hold truths, but neither give an explanation of the universe. I think many people seek God to explain why the universe exists, rather than to seek God to live better. Your views are similar to Oneness Pentecostalism, exepct maybe you aren't a Christian? I think of us as an extention of God.

                                      I think you are wrong regarding the ideas part. Yes you can reason yourelf to a closer relationship with God, but sensus divinitatis tends to come from transcendental momements of beauty and ovebecoming.

                                      Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

                                      Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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                                        zawisza @A Former User
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                                          A Former User @Norwegian Mugabe
                                          last edited by Feb 10, 2024, 2:33 PM

                                          @Norwegian-Mugabe I'm not a "Christian",

                                          I wasn't implying that reasoning can lead us to a higher degree of feeling oneness with "god" or of being "god", I was simply saying that in the majority of cases (of people I've observed) belief in "god" is associated with sub-optimal ideas, which arouse negative emotions

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