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What are non-Peaty things you still do?

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    TopicalsOnBalls
    last edited by Feb 22, 2024, 8:16 PM

    Are there still things you do, such as foods you eat, supplements you take, or habits in general, that are considered non-Peaty but are able to justify or you have found that works for you despite the knowledge that it could lead to negative effects?

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      brad @TopicalsOnBalls
      last edited by Feb 22, 2024, 8:35 PM

      @TopicalsOnBalls I like to eat chocolate chip cookies even though they have starch.

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        oldchem
        last edited by Feb 22, 2024, 8:36 PM

        quite a few, i eat a relatively high amount of muscle meat relative to gelatinous cuts, i don't find particularly many fruits or fruit juices to be agreeable and only eat them when i truly crave them, relying mostly on jasmine rice for glucose.

        despite this, i actually think peats recommendations (or more accurately, foods he spoke highly of) are second to none and they do indeed work, i just feel better when i use them sporadically rather than try to structure an entire day around it, i find it more dopaminergic to eat this way as well. if im feeling particularly stressed or unwell i will deploy some OJ and masa harina cooked in coconut oil etc.

        i have said before i think peat provides a holistic framework you can use and i use this framework to help with stress and creativity and have found it to be more useful for these purposes. with that, i do think the traditional peaty foods are excellent i just opt to use them sporadically on an as needed basis and feel better this way.

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          Sunniva @brad
          last edited by Feb 22, 2024, 8:56 PM

          @brad
          Me too, but I make them with sprouted flour, or jovial Einkorn flour.

          "You're changing your past every time you learn something because you become a different organism" Ray Peat

          "Everything is changing thru time, whether it's a word, organism, thing. The world around it changes, and so its relationships change"Ray Peat

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            brightside @oldchem
            last edited by Feb 22, 2024, 8:57 PM

            @oldchem said in What are non-Peaty things you still do?:

            i will deploy some OJ and masa harina cooked in coconut oil etc.

            MPMD fan?

            That's the kind of language that only he uses lol

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              oldchem @brightside
              last edited by Feb 22, 2024, 9:02 PM

              @brightside haha, no but not a bad guess! i used to care quite a bit about fitness/bodybuilding/etc a decade or so ago but that was before that fella came on the scene so i never got into that. these days im more interested in bioenergetics but some habits die hard (hence the muscle meat, jasmine rice, and robotic speech patterns apparently).

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                CO3 @brad
                last edited by Feb 22, 2024, 9:33 PM

                @brad i'm gonna try making milk powder choclate cukie

                Master Broth Recipe: https://twitter.com/thesquattingman/status/1737526599023526043 / https://recipeats.org/master-broth/

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                  A Former User @TopicalsOnBalls
                  last edited by Feb 22, 2024, 11:00 PM

                  @TopicalsOnBalls Long (20+mi) bike rides, although it's probably not as bad due to being on high gear and mostly travel at speeds between 10-15 mph.

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                    lutte
                    last edited by lutte Feb 23, 2024, 2:38 AM Feb 23, 2024, 2:35 AM

                    I eat fast food and if someone else cooks, sometimes I go really low calories for a while, I eat snacks if presented to me, I barely ever drink fruit juices

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                      brad @CO3
                      last edited by Feb 23, 2024, 3:08 AM

                      @CO3 Please post recipe if it works

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                        Mulloch94
                        last edited by Mulloch94 Feb 23, 2024, 5:46 AM Feb 23, 2024, 5:45 AM

                        Probably the biggest thing is I'm unsure how committed I am to the nitric oxide stuff. I think it's probably good to limit some types of nitric oxide (like iNOS) because they increase endotoxin and permeability. But increase or at least maintain other types of nitric oxide, like eNOS.

                        When you dive a little deeper, there's actually some common "peaty" things that increase eNOS too, like mildronate. And even thyroid itself according to this https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0753332220300718

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                          Buckian
                          last edited by Feb 23, 2024, 7:14 AM

                          I displace weights in an eccentric fashion at the gym.

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                            TopicalsOnBalls @Mulloch94
                            last edited by Feb 23, 2024, 8:58 AM

                            @Mulloch94 would you ever consider taking nitric oxide precursors? I used to take them for pre-workouts, hadn’t noticed for sure if they ever created issues for me or not.

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                              Mulloch94 @TopicalsOnBalls
                              last edited by Feb 23, 2024, 2:43 PM

                              @TopicalsOnBalls I've experimented with citrulline malate, seemed to augment or otherwise synergize well with dopaminergic compounds. Sort of makes sense considering they both have antagonistic effects on prolactin.

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                                Mulloch94 @TopicalsOnBalls
                                last edited by Feb 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

                                @TopicalsOnBalls I've had the best experience with phosphodiesterase inhibitors. I prefer the route of increasing cAMP and cGMP. It's probably safer, considering with direct precursors you have less control on what types of NO are being created. PDE-4's will increase nNOS which will stimulate the hypothalamus to release GnRH, which is essential for androgen synthesis. Of course, PDE-5's will increase eNOS, and improve endothelial health. I've tried both pharma and botanical PDE's with little to no preference for either. I actually think oat straw is the best PDE-4, easy to get too. It also inhibits MAO-B. So it's dopaminergic as well. Low dose Cialis is the best PDE-5 in my opinion. Cialis will also antagonize the aromatase, another plus.

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                                  fiester @Mulloch94
                                  last edited by Feb 25, 2024, 2:27 AM

                                  @Mulloch94 said in What are non-Peaty things you still do?:

                                  Probably the biggest thing is I'm unsure how committed I am to the nitric oxide stuff. I think it's probably good to limit some types of nitric oxide (like iNOS) because they increase endotoxin and permeability. But increase or at least maintain other types of nitric oxide, like eNOS.

                                  When you dive a little deeper, there's actually some common "peaty" things that increase eNOS too, like mildronate. And even thyroid itself according to this https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0753332220300718

                                  Everytime I play with nitric oxide I get a killer migraine

                                  “The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.” (Proverbs 20:30)

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                                    Sugar
                                    last edited by Feb 25, 2024, 2:50 AM

                                    I eat raw fish, salmon roe, proscuitto, pork rinds fried in pork lard.

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                                      Coriander
                                      last edited by Feb 25, 2024, 3:35 AM

                                      I wear socks with some polyester.

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                                        Mulloch94 @fiester
                                        last edited by Feb 25, 2024, 2:15 PM

                                        @fiester What did you use to increase it? I've gotten headaches from stuff like sildenafil before, and I don't think it's a very good drug. Tadalafil is better because it can be dosed as low as 2.5mg and still be effective.

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                                          A Former User
                                          last edited by A Former User Feb 25, 2024, 2:21 PM Feb 25, 2024, 2:19 PM

                                          Getting upset and depressed and hopeless about the state of humanity.

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