Experiments with transdermal hormones
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@wester130 I would like to do some experiments with Vitamin E oil also. My big issue is that to get a decent bolus of T / DHT I think you would need a lot of Vitamin E which I don't want to do. Especially if it needs to be dissolved.
Also, I am a little weird in the sense that I would really like to have T / DHT return to baseline by bedtime to see if it prevents shutdown. So the shorter half-life of non-esterified T is a bonus for me. Most people aren't concerned about this but it would be a nice-to-have for me. I don't need to have blasted hormones 24/7.
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@Santosh your comment about them being for real is a projection because i considered that about you when you refused to tell me what suchlabs product is bunk. in many of your posts you come off as chronically annoyed xD
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is Testosterone contaminated?
just a about 10mg of pure powder gave me a chemical brain fog
10mg of DHEA and pregnenlone powder individually does not
I don't think Testosterone is manufactured properly
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@wester130 What did it taste like?
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@Crypt-Keeper has no taste, but gives me a chemical feel in the body
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@wester130 Interesting. Mine tastes incredibly bitter, similar to extra-virgin olive oil.
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@Crypt-Keeper is it base powder? does it cause brain fog?
Personally I am going to try testosterone gel and see if I get the chemical feeling
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@wester130 It's supposed to be base powder. I don't experience any brain fog even in high doses. I actually don't experience anything noticeable.
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@Crypt-Keeper have you consdiered making your own T gel?
it's basically isopropyl myristate, ever and T
maybe add in vitamin E?
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@wester130 I have some IPM and MCT oil, just need to get some Everclear. I think the most I can get is 95% alcohol. I would like to experiment with that, but I figure if DMSO didn't give me any perceptible effects, Everclear and IPM might not be worth it.
I am thinking of trying to source some dutasteride and give that a try with the T. I don't want the DHT conversion that oral / transdermal gives.
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@Crypt-Keeper are you joking?? dutasteride?
DMSO is dangerous anyway and does not necessarily increase absorption
IPM increases absorption by 11 times,
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So for the past month ive been experimenting with figuring out the maximum solubility of DHT in ethanol. For me DMSO is not an option for me so ethanol is the next best thing.
Using 99% undenatured ethanol, i was able to achieve up to 70mg/ml. 75mg/ml did not dissolve, twice.
With the 70gm/ml solution i tried 2%, 5% and 10% IPM, and a mix of IPM and tocopherol of 5% total, each being around 2.5%, which brings the total concentration down to 50-53mg/ml.The best by far is the tocopherol and IPM mixture. Leaves minimal to non existent powder line after it dries, has the slowest evaporation of all and is very pleasant to the skin. The IPM only solutions, especially the 2% leaves a very noticeable trace line of powder at the edges of where the liquid was applied, after evaporating.
The only caveats regarding the max solubility is that my ethanol measurement wasnt accurate enough and was maybe off by +- 1-2ml. I used a kitchen scale to measure the equivalent weight in grams and then poured it into a beaker which confirmed the total volume, but none was super accurate so ill try again with a more accurate measuring tool like a pipette.
However im fairly confident that 100mg/ml is not achievable, and i know for a fact 200mg/ml is not. Im saying this because theres someone on the black market selling 10% and 20% DHT gel, and he offers a non DMSO option which he uses ethanol for. I dont know the max solubility of DHT in DMSO, but if you got any of the non DMSO gels, you probably got scammed.
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@pannacottas what effects are you noticing?
From my understanding - DHT basically does nothing. It's testosterone that gives the effect
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@wester130 With DHT you dont "feel" anything immediate, it is afterwards that you notice things like improved cognition, calmness, decrease in libido, ability to think clearly, decreased aggression, more outgoing, and generally ape mode, in the sense that you dgaf and eg. can overtake cars easily (Landshark talked about this). At least thats my experience with it
Imo most, if not all of the benefits of T are from the conversion to DHT. The reason that ppl feel T when taking it, is likely from some aromatization thats happening which causes a mild excitatory effect, but is accompanied with T and DHT so it's balanced. DHT lacks that effect as it's non-aromatizable.
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@wester130 With DHT in DMSO my estrogen gets to very low levels, so my libido, mood etc is tanked. I did not liked it at all. Transdermal test is much better since its boost test, estrogen and DHT all at once.
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W wester130 referenced this topic on
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fascinating article about dht
should we take this instead?
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@pannacottas thanks
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I have created a solution of
25mg Tren
25mg Test
5mg Progesterone
5mg DHEA
5mg ExemestanePer ml
I used DMSO & Coconut Oil in about a 90:10 ratio. This is mostly to stop the stinging/skin irritation from pure DMSO. They don't mix great so you need to shake before use. I would have preferred to use Vitamin E if I had on hand.
It is working great so far. Definitely a lot stronger than my higher T experiments in the past.
I have noticed zero sides from the Tren.
It has been about 4 weeks
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I have
vitamin e tocopherol oil
ethyl alcohol
base micronized test powder in my hand.can anyone help me with the recipe of how I can make a transdermal cream out of these?
should I try to get isopropyl myristate as well?
thank you!!
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@metabolicmilk sounds interesting
