trying to create DHT/T supplement at home, but need an alternative to ethanol as solvent
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Hey guys, new to the forum.
quick summary of me and why I'm doing this:
I'm a PFS sufferer and I made a lot of progress in fixing my issues. I would consider myself halfway cured now.
I take thyroid, pregnanlone, used to take DHEA, calcium. daily carrots. Cascara, Low pufa diet. My waking temp is 36.7 and its 36.9 after breakfast. all these things helped fix my issues.
my libido and erections however, even though they got a lot better, are still here and there. Kind of just halfway fixed, and its variable a lot. I have some good days where I feel like I'm basically almost back to normal in that area and days where its pretty bad.
anyways, I noticed that DHEA and preg and also progesterone too, can really boost my libido sometimes. DHEA in particular does it a lot if other things are good. DHEA also helped me regain lot of lost penile length and girth and increased my low semen production.
So that made me think that maybe for me androgens are the missing link to my recovery.
I also remember years ago before I knew about Ray, I was prescribed testosterone by a doctor and took it. but it was a high dose and a mix of different esters and I took it intermuscularly. That actually cured my penile issues for a few days until the estrogen caught up with me and I crashed really bad.
So remembering that also added evidence to my theory that maybe i just need more androgens.
So I decided to pursue that avenue a little bit more and try to make my own T and DHT supplement that is ester free, has no added toxins, I can take it orally or on the skin instead of inject it and I can take low doses of it.
End of summary
So I bought some T and DHT powders, and I'm trying to create a supplement at home.
I was planning to use ethanol as a solvent for both, and take the supplement with a dropper, but the problem is that its illegal to buy alcohol where I live so I couldn't get any ethanol, even for lab use.
now I'm trying to think of other ways to dissolve the powders...
currently I'm considering these two options, I don't know if they are any good:
1- 25ml DMSO/5ml of liquid glycerin mix it up and add it to the powder to dissolve it.
2- 25ml of MCT oil/5ml of liquid glycerin mix them up and add to powder to dissolve.
I have heard mixed things about the safety of DMSO and heard that MCT oil has bad absorption rates. Also read that T and DHT can be hard to dissolve in these solvents. So, not sure what to do.
I'm hoping someone here who knows more about this can give me some guidance.
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Can you get propylene glycol and pure tocopherol? They're bot miscible together and would make as a great co-solvent mixture.
Not sure the MCT oil and glycerin. Seems like it may work, but I don't know anything about the penetration powers of MCT oil.
Pure oleic acid would work, especially if you throw some menthol or limonene to enhance the penetrative qualities.
DMSO sucks, I use to like it, but the chemical burn is just not worth it. And that goes without saying, don't put that shit anywhere near your penis or balls.
My favorite is a three-way combo of ethanol + tocopherol + PG. I usually make a 30ML dropper with 10ML of each. But I believe a two way with PG and tocopherol would be almost as effective.
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Just thought of an idea. We should start a thread about all the available solvents for skin application, and experiment and log which ones we like best.
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hello, thanks that information is really helpful.
I found most of the ingredients you mentioned.
https://www.desertcart.com.kw/products/104551892-earthborn-elements-propylene-glycol-4-fl-oz-pure-undiluted-no-additives - propylene glycol
https://www.desertcart.com.kw/products/271936878 - vitamin E but from soybean oil.
https://www.desertcart.com.kw/products/54637992-oleic-acid-4-oz-120-ml-packaged-in-poly-bottle - oleic acid
I might go ahead and try this. You mentioned that glycol and VitE would work well. But what about Glycol + VitE + oleic acid + Limonene? would that work or is it too many things? lol
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Haidut's Pansterone gives me monster erections. Following this thread, I may make a similar DHT solution.
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@SexyPizza I think just PG and VitE would work for most things. Maybe if your vitamin E oil is too thick you could add some oleic acid to thin it out, but other then that you should be good.
Or you could try oleic acid (OA) + PG + Limonene. But I generally don't see the need of adding two lipid-based solvents together. That's just my 2 cents, I'm very far from an expert in this regard. @brightside seems far more knowledgeable in this area. He seems to be well versed in making emulsions, which would enhance the penetration of lipid-based solutions even more than free base.
Which ever way you decide, these solutions will be extremely "nonvolatile." So you're looking at something that will have a more slow, but continuous, absorption rate. Which I think is probably good, especially for people who only want to dose one time per day. The only downside is it will take a while to dry on skin.
So I would give application site at least 30 minutes of air time to dry before putting on a shirt or pants. And if you're pressed for time and can't wait that long, you could always gently wrap the application site in plastic wrap before putting clothes on over it.
