@jamezb46 said in Adamantyl Ester Steroids: The Ultimate Androgen?:

The paper you linked refers to the synthetic 5-alpha-hydroxylaxogenin.

Yes, that's what most people are referring to when they mention laxogenin

@jamezb46 said in Adamantyl Ester Steroids: The Ultimate Androgen?:

In fact, the FDA has declared the sale of 5-alpha-hydroxylaxogenin (5AHL) in supplements to be illegal:

In Europe it's widely available. Just found one for 40€ . It just seems hit or miss if there's actually laxogenin in there .

@jamezb46 said in Adamantyl Ester Steroids: The Ultimate Androgen?:

It is possible that Laxogenin might also function as an AI if somehow the necessary double bonds were introduced when it gets metabolized. I doubt that can happen though.

Im just going to try it out. Some people notice nothing , some say it's great.

@metabolicmilk

Still waiting on my shipment from PPL. Will update this thread after I dissolve the powder and again after a few weeks of using it.

@Peatslop-enjoyer ive heard the latter is better for most purposes..

@izkrov Yeah that's Ray's take on it. It's important to understand the TRT community has very different views, and actually isn't that compatible with ours. We do "patch work" here to mix some of the ideas in the TRT community with bioenergetics.

Standard TRT protocol is usually something like 120 up to 250 a week. Typically test cypionate. 4mgs won't raise blood levels which is what the TRT is purposed for.

Of course this can cause issues. For one, test cypionate is a longer acting ester. Your levels won't mimic the diurnal rhythm. I don't think we've yet fully understood the implications of this. Most of the "bros" seems to think this is good, because longer esters mean more stabilized androgens at a higher level.

But this could have serious adverse effects too. Like being at an increased risk of hyperestrogenicity, clots, stroke, and the like. It will have a prolonged suppression on the HPTA as well, lowering fertility (unless you take hCG, which has it's own set of risks) and eventually upstream hormones like P5, P4, and DHEA.

@SexyPizza I think just PG and VitE would work for most things. Maybe if your vitamin E oil is too thick you could add some oleic acid to thin it out, but other then that you should be good.

Or you could try oleic acid (OA) + PG + Limonene. But I generally don't see the need of adding two lipid-based solvents together. That's just my 2 cents, I'm very far from an expert in this regard. @brightside seems far more knowledgeable in this area. He seems to be well versed in making emulsions, which would enhance the penetration of lipid-based solutions even more than free base.

Which ever way you decide, these solutions will be extremely "nonvolatile." So you're looking at something that will have a more slow, but continuous, absorption rate. Which I think is probably good, especially for people who only want to dose one time per day. The only downside is it will take a while to dry on skin.

So I would give application site at least 30 minutes of air time to dry before putting on a shirt or pants. And if you're pressed for time and can't wait that long, you could always gently wrap the application site in plastic wrap before putting clothes on over it.

@sphenoid

Definitely could be