N-HA toothpaste in Europe?

voldtzeig

Been looking for nano-hydroxyapatite toothpaste in Europe but havn't been able to find any that doesn't cost 30$, anyone got any recommendations? I'd like to move away from fluoride but still wan't something that's not just coconut oil, baking soda or activated charcoal.

Apparantly there's some difference between nano and non-nano hydroxyapatite where nano is the better one.

Mossy

@voldtzeig I've not been able to conclude with certainty which is the best, nano (nHA) or non-nano (HA). After some general research online, as well as considering Peat's comments on nano particles, I've opted for HA. You can buy just the powder and add it to the toothpaste of your choice. Maybe there is an advantage to an nHA/HA formulated toothpaste, versus adding the nHA/HA to an already formulated combination of ingredients. Just a thought; not saying I know this to be true. There are two companies I know where the general consumer can buy just the powder (HA), which they name MCHA (microcrystalline hydroxyapatite). I could guess the US company ships to Europe, looks like the Australian company ships all over the world:

Small amount (80grams), shops from the US: https://store.orawellness.com/products/mcha-bulk-bag\

Large amount (1kg), ships from Australia:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/192507948433?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=7qGv1CZPSo2&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Mossy

@voldtzeig If you shop off of amazon.com, I've done a comparison of several types of nHA/HA toothpastes available, comparing the known % and type of HA, as well as the other ingredients:


Brand	Cost	Size	Percentages	Notes
Pro Mineralizer	$15	4 oz	5% nHA, 6% HA	Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Xylitol, Calcium Carbonate, Hydroxyapatite, Hydrated Silica, Sodium Bicarbonate, Gaultheria Procumbens (Wintergreen) Oil, Sea Salt, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Zinc Citrate, Bentonite, Cellulose Gum, Citric Acid, Zinc Gluconate, Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tree Tree) Oil, Glycerol, Citrus Reticulata Fruit Extract, Citrus Aurantium Amara Fruit Extract, Citrus Aurantium Sinensis Peel Extract, Ascorbic Acid, Citric Acid, Lactic Acid, Aqua, Ammonium Glycyrrhizate, Tocopheryl Acetate, Magnasweet 100 (Organic)
RiseWell	$16	4 oz	10% HA	Silica, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Xylitol, Hydroxyapatite, Calcium Carbonate, Propanediol, Potassium Cocoate, Stevia Rebaudiana Extract, Mentha Arvensis (Wild Mint) Oil, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, Cinnamomum Cassia (Cinnamon) Bark Extract, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Oil, Citrus Limon (Lemon) Peel Oil, Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Oil, Cellulose Gum, Sodium Gluconate, Menthol, Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme) Extract, Erythritol, Xanthan Gum, Eucalyptus Globulus Extract, Illicium Verum (Anise) Extract.
Davids	$9	5.25 oz	NA % nHA	calcium carbonate (limestone abrasive), vegetable glycerin, purified water, sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), xylitol (birch derived), hydrated silica, hydroxyapatite, sodium cocoyl glutamate, carrageenan (seaweed derived), mentha piperita (peppermint oil), mentha viridis (spearmint) leaf oil, pimpinella anisum (anise) seed extract, gaultheria procumbens (wintergreen) leaf oil, stevia (leaf extract).
Himalaya Botanique	$11	4 oz	NA % nHA	Water (aqua), Xylitol, Hydrated Silica, Glycerin (from vegetable oils), Hydroxyapatite (nano), Lauryl Glucoside (from vegetable oils), Xanthan Gum, Flavor (from essential oils & botanicals), Potassium Chloride, Sodium Bicarbonate, Stevia Rebaudiana (stevia) Extract, Disodium Cocoyl Glutamate (from amino acid and coconut oil), Menthol* (from peppermint leaves), Zinc Citrate, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate (from amino acid and coconut oil), Thymol (from thyme leaf oil), Azadirachta Indica (neem) Leaf Extract, Bromelain (from pineapple), Punica Granatum (pomegranate) Fruit Extract, Embelia Ribes (vidanga) Fruit Extract, Phyllanthus Emblica (amla) Fruit Extract, Terminalia Bellerica (belleric myrobalan) Fruit Extract, Terminalia Chebula (chebulic myrobalan) Fruit Extract, Acacia Arabica (Indian gum arabic tree) Stem Bark Extract*, Papain (from papaya)
Better & Better	$11	3.4 oz	NA % or type	Organic Vegetable Glycerin, Deionized Water (Aqua), Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Organic Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Evaporated Water, Organic Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Organic Xylitol, Hydroxyapatite, Organic Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, Organic Agave Tequilana (Blue Agave) Extract, Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda), Organic Stevia Rebaudiana Leaf/Stem Extract, Organic Mentha Spicata (Spearmint) Oil, Xanthan Gum, Leuconostoc/Radish Root Ferment Filtrate, Organic Menthol, Sodium Chloride (Salt)
CariFree	$17	2.4 oz	15% nHA	Active Ingredient: Sodium Fluoride, .24% (w/w) <br><br/>Other Ingredients: Glycerin, Hydrated Silica, Hydrogenated Starch Hydrolysate (HSH), Hydroxyapatite, Hydroxyethyl Cellulose, Menthol, Natural Flavors, Polysorbate 20, Potassium Sorbate, Saccharin, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Water, Xylitol
ELIMS	$13	4 oz	10% nHA	Vegetable Glycerin, Xylitol, Deionized Water, Sorbitol, 10% Nano-Hydroxyapatite, Hydrated Silica, Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate, Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda), Natural Vanilla flavor, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Xanthan Gum, Calcium Carbonate, Benzoic Acid, Menthol (Mint), Chamomilla Recutita (Chamomile) extract, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Oil
Dr Jen	$21	4 oz	10% nHA	Aqua, Calcium Carbonate (helps remove stains and whiten teeth), Xylitol, Glycerin (soothes and moisturizes, derived from coconut), Silica (polishes teeth), Nano-Hydroxyapatite (strengthens enamel), Potassium Cocoate (foams paste from coconut oil), Cellulose Gum (thickens paste), Natural Flavor, Peppermint Oil, Spearmint Oil, Black Cherry (provides powerful antioxidants and reduces inflammation), Papaya (provides powerful antioxidants), Glycyrrhiza Glabra (flavors from licorice root), Citric Acid (preserves naturally), Spirulina (provides powerful antioxidants and coloring )
Boka	$9	4 oz	~2% nHa. (The nanoXIM concentration is 15.5% nHa, )	Water, Vegetable Glycerin, Hydrated Silica, Sorbitol Powder, Silica, Nano-hydroxyapatite, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Mentha Piperita Essential (Peppermint) Oil, Mentha Viridis (Spearmint) Oil, Illicium Verum (Star Anise) Oil, Gaultheria Procumberis (Wintergreen) Oil, Xylitol, Xanthan Gum, Stevia Rebaudiana Extract Powder, Methylsulfonylmethane, Aloe Barbadensis (aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, Sodium Bicarbonate, Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea) Leaf Extract, Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Fruit Extract, Mangifera Indica (Mango) Fruit Extract, Menthol, foil (Cardamom), Potassium Chloride.

voldtzeig

@Mossy Thanks a lot for the posts, great info! From what I've read N-HA seems to be the better of the two with most studies being done on it. Unfortunately most brands you have on amazon are not avaliable in my country, might be buying the powder! Thanks once again.

Mossy

@voldtzeig said in N-HA toothpaste in Europe?:

@Mossy Thanks a lot for the posts, great info! From what I've read N-HA seems to be the better of the two with most studies being done on it. Unfortunately most brands you have on amazon are not avaliable in my country, might be buying the powder! Thanks once again.

You're welcome. I have read the same from studies, that the nHA was considered more effective, but I am not comfortable with nano-particles, based on Peat's and other's comments. From the same company I linked prior, here is a pretty thorough write-up on particle size. I realize they have a vested interest in showing the efficacy of non-nano, but you may find this helpful. Good luck.

https://orawellness.com/nano-or-no-no-hydroxyapatite-particle-size-matters/

Ivy

@voldtzeig

This is the only hydroxiapatite toothpaste available in Portugal and I quite like it. It's affordable, refreshing and seems to reduce sensitivity:

https://jardimsuspenso.com/en/made-in-portugal/193-couto-toothpaste-60g-5601331001022.html

Ingredients: Aqua, Hydroxyapatite, Glycerin, Potassium Chlorate, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Sodium C12-18 Alkyl Sulfate, Mentha Piperita, Menthol, Paraffinum Líquidum, Anethol, Sodium Saccharin, Thymol, Eugenol and Limonene.